4ohm, 8ohm speakers and output power


Assuming that two speakers both have the same sensitivity rating, but one having 4ohm and the other having 8ohm.
For example 88db/watt/meter.

Now usually and in most cases, a given amp can have its output power doubled when driving a 4ohm loud vs. an 8ohm load.

Does this mean that in theory, the 4ohm speaker can play louder than an 8ohm speaker given they use the same amp since the amp can deliver twice as much power to the 4ohm speaker? And since they have the same sensitivity, more power equals more louder.
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Andyr: All things being equal ( ha ha ha ), when you go from an 8 ohm load to a 4 ohm load with an SS amp, you double the current capacity or "ampacity" of the circuit. The only problem is, since you've cut the impedance in half at the speaker, current demand is doubled at the amp. As such, IF the amp actually "doubles down" as impedance is halved, you've "theoretically" gained since the amp now has more voltage headroom for peaks. Here's where the reality factor comes in.

Since most amps DO NOT double down as impedance is halved, going to a lower impedance speaker can actually reduce the sonic potential of the system. This is due to increased voltage sag that the amp experiences under heavy loads due to the lack of available current. When you pull more current due to having a lower impedance, you generate more heat. The hotter a device gets, the less efficient it becomes. On top of that, if you're pulling more current, the device also becomes limited in how much voltage it can pass. You have to remember that each device in the circuit is rated to pass a specific amount of wattage. Since wattage equals volts x amps in the circuit, pulling more current means that we have to reduce the available voltage. Lack of voltage means reduced dynamic headroom with more potential for compression or clipping.

Besides all of that and to re-state what i mentioned earlier, the lower the impedance, the more likely the speaker is to "modulate" or "distort" the amplifier's output. This is why i said that one is ALWAYS better off with a higher efficiency, higher impedance speaker. Less heat with less current demand equals an easier load on the amp.

So long as the amplifier has enough power potential at the higher impedance that it is loading into, leave well enough alone. That is, unless you have an amplifier that is capable of delivering as much voltage and current that you would ever need into any given load at any given time at any given frequency. This is a VERY tall order and most amps will fall flat on their face trying to do so, especially with wildly reactive speakers.

For those that want to learn, i would HIGHLY recommend reading the "amplifier white papers" that Bob Carver wrote. His writing is very simple to follow along with and may help you better understand how / why some amps seem to run out of steam when being throttled faster than other amps of similar power ratings but with different design topologies. If it is one thing that i will give the Sunfire amps, they never get "gritty" even when throttled beyond belief. This explains why that is so.

Newbee: Yes, you did good. Then again, you already knew that : )

Depending on the output impedance of your amp though, even 5 ohms may be kind of low. I have to assume that you took that into consideration when arriving at suitable figures though. You don't strike me as being careless in your decisions, so i have to assume that you left enough of a "fudge factor" in play to cover all bases. Sean
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If both speakers have the same sensitivity but different nominal impedances (8 and 4-ohms), the one with the 4-ohm impedance will not play louder. The 4-ohm impedance will attempt to draw more current (power) than the 8-ohm, but any extra current (power) it coaxes from the amplifier will be dissipated as heat - not as additional cone displacement. In other words, the speaker acoustic efficiency drops as the nomimal impedance drops. The amplifier notwithstanding.
I was thinking that if the speakers are rated using Volt instead of Watt then the imdedance will be taken into account.

For example if both are rated as 88db/2.89V/meter then they would play to the same loudness. The 4ohm speaker will just draws more current and therefore double the input wattage.

BUT I STILL think if they are using wattage as a reference then the 4ohm must be able to play louder given the same input wattage. I still don't see it any other way.
At the same input voltage a 4-ohm driver will draw 3db more power than an 8-ohm driver. If both drivers have the same SPL at a given watt then, yes, the 4-ohm is louder. Both have the same efficiency.

But now you have two different sensitivities because with the 4-ohm driver you get 1 Watt from 2 Volts whereas you get 1 Watt from 2.83 Volts from the 8-ohm driver.