Wood blocks underneath components?? snake oil?


Hi, I have read that putting some sort of woood blocks underneath components helps in the sound. In particular, I believe Ayre actually suggests doing this. Can anyone explain to me how this helps?
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Rotarius, your explanation makes sense. However in the case of a CDP, the CDP itself has vibrations so you're not just trying to isolate from floorborne vibrations, you're also trying to get rid of vibrations in the CDP itself. Will an isolator/damper like an air bladder be effective when both conponents (shelf and CDP) are vibrating? I don't know.
For some reason something like porous ceramic which is "infinitely" light, "infinitely" rigid, and has "no" resonant mode has some intuitive logic that makes sense to me when used as an interface between two resonant components.
Sorbothane made the bass muddy and slow. Music was less clear. Maybe it's the horizontal motion thing. Using the design calculations from Sorbothane's website, the sorbothane have to be nearly 3/4" thick for optimal isolation/dampening.
Cdc - ".....you're trying to get rid of vibrations in the CDP itself."

Couple of things to think about 1)even if you could couple the CDP AND provide a path for vibrations to pass from the CDP (drain, if you please) wouldn't the vibrations created by the CDP itself already have done its damage? Now, assuming that you would argue that the vibrations would build up at the resonance point involved in CDP, and that to provide a 'drain' you would reduce the damage caused by the resonance, wouldn't you then have to have a materiel which will allow the resonance to pass thru it or allow the resonance to disappate within it by changing the nergy of the vibrations to heat?.

Fow example think of the soft rubbery products. It is established that vibrations are reduced/eliminated by materiels that absorb them/i.e changing the energy to heat. If the materiel you use is not resonant at any frequency (and such materiel does not exist BTW, even pumice stone has a resonance point) then how would it ever absorb the energy by changing it to heat.

You say that sorbothane made the bass muddy and slow - perhaps, just perhaps, what you are hearing is the absence of the effect of undampened vibrations in the CDP, but you happen to enjoy (without knowing it) the minor ringing effect thay may be creating.

Just something to think about.........

Oh, for reference, in case you didn't figure it out, I'm in the absorbtion camp and think the 'drain' theories have more commercial benefit than sonic benefit.
cdc, yes the air borne vibrations is another component that has to be addressed. This is where there are plenty of products being marketed as "mechanical drains". I had never heard of such a thing until I visited audiogon. This concept (or rather misconception) only exists in the audiophile world. If you put brass or some ball bearing under the chassis, it will obviously transmit the vibration. So what? The chassis still vibrates doesn't it? Why not try to minimize the problem by first isolating the chassis from the rack and then dampen the chassis? I have also seen people trust the numerous "white" papers out there. They are marketing tools nothing more. Unlike a technical or scientific research paper, they are not verified by peers in the industry and are not backed up by experimental data. If you actually see vibration analysis data which shows the effectiveness of a product in controlling vibration, buy it!
Why wouldn't those magnetic levitaton devices be the ultimate isolater/damper? Or are they somehow attached to the sides to prevent side to side sway (and thus transmit vibes.)
Newbee, by rigidly coupling the CVDP to and appropriate damping shelf and stand the vibrations would never be there to begin with. Quoting the "Bad Vibes" article:

This, then, is the most practical solution for a good supporting platform: Employ specific materials and geometry that increase the platform's stiffness:weight ratio so that the improved rigidity raises the resonant frequency

Hence my "infinitely stiff / infinitely light" pumice material.

2) By rigid coupling you are reducing the number of vibration modes in the entire stero component system. This makes it easier to tune the system tahn if each component is singing at it's own frequency. Soft rubber dampers have the oposite effect.

Again quoting the article:

Elastomer Supports
A rudimentary version of the traditional damped suspension is formed when elastomer materials such as Navcom or Sorbothane are used to support a heavy preamp or amplifier, either directly or with an intervening platform. These elastomer pucks can be quite effective at isolating moderate amplitudes of vibration ranging from the upper bass and above, and will generally have a fairly predictable performance throughout this range of frequencies when used with a wide range of gear. Also, a broad band of vibrations generated within the component is partially damped by these compliant materials. Unfortunately, their damping and isolation ability is not only ineffective at very low-level vibrations of any frequency, but is essentially transparent to all amplitudes of very low frequencies, acting basically like rigid coupling rather than an isolator in response to vibrations lower than the natural resonance of the suspension.

For many systems using rubberlike pucks, the resonant frequency ranges from approximately 10Hz to 20Hz or higher depending on the actual compliant material, how it is shaped, and the load it bears. So even though the peak displacement at resonance will be reduced, vibrations below resonance will either pass right on through or be amplified. In practice, many such suspensions have relatively high resonant points, so this amplification will often extend into the lower audio band. For example, a system formed by typical rubber pads or pucks supporting a moderately heavy steel plate will have a vertical resonance of around 15Hz or so. Its related resonant displacement is fairly well controlled, yet the zone of amplification actually extends from approximately 3Hz up to around 25Hz---above which isolation finally begins. This scenario can contribute to the subjective impression of a "mushy," "soft," or "boomy" bass response, even as the suspension reduces the amount of transmitted vibrations from the midbass on up, and partially damps the component-generated vibrations.

Unfortunately, this limitation of certain elastomer supports is often misconstrued as "over-damping," even when describing its effect with amps and preamps, and has led to the unfortunate condemnation by some of any sort of damping at all. Actually, this negative subjective effect, reported when elastomer supports are used in some systems, stems from the amplification of the suspension's relatively high resonant frequency intruding into the lower audio band (the opposite of damping).

Paradoxically, systems that emphasize the bass can sometimes sound rolled-off in the treble as well, although this is usually a psychoacoustic effect rather than a genuine rolloff. In any event, this example highlights the danger in drawing cause-and-effect conclusions about subjective experiences in audio without trying to tie them back to real physical principles. The positive sonic effects of elastomers are almost entirely due to their damping and isolating qualities; when properly applied, elastomers can result in a significant reduction of vibrations from the upper bass on up.

Incidentally, several equipment supports or footers now on the market combine a degree of rigidity with a measured amount of damping, without being overly compliant. These devices seem particularly well suited for connecting components to a platform already isolated by a suspension. (See my Townshend/Vibraplane review elsewhere in this issue for some examples.)

The ideal stand as I gather would be:
1) completely rigid and operate as a single unit. Bad vibes article "Minimize the relative motion between different elements that comprise a system"
2) resonant frequencies would be pushed as HIGH as possible so vibration's amplitudes are as LOW as possible. Bad Vibes article:
"lowest natural frequency will be the most dominant". Minimum resonant frequency = maximum amplitude".
"Reduction in frequency leads to an increase in dispalcement...resulting in a "noisier" less stable
platform".
"The lower the resonant frequency of a platform, the less desirable-the associated increase in amplitude will cause more serious ringing that damping can only partially reduce." So using sorbothane actually INCREASES ringing which damping can only partially reduce.
"Enough damping should be applied" BUT ITS PURPOSE IS TO "further lower the displacement of resonances" not increase it.

As I understand it, sorbothane has
1)high amplitude as in actual dimensional dispalcement
2) soft material with numerous, complex. vibration modes.

So maybe we just disagree on everything.