New Fuse Thread . . .


So the talk about the sonic effects of fuses got way out of hand, and I would like to know some details from those who have actually tried the boutique audio fuses. So if you have, please let us know any of the following:

1. What value (ampere rating) were you using, and was it fast or slow-blow (time delay)? Time-delay fuses usually have a letter 'T' in their rating, like "T2.5A" is a 2.5 ampere, slow-blow fuse.

2. Does anybody have a reasonably decent ohmmeter, and could you measure the difference in resistance between the boutique fuse and the standard one? If you measure, be sure to subtract the resistance of your test leads. Of course, if somebody has an impedance analyzer, I'd love to see that data . . .

3. What position is this used in? That is, on the AC line, or after the transformer, after the rectifier, etc.?

4. Has anybody had occasional fuse-blowing with the stock fuse, and replaced it with a boutique fuse, and had the boutique fuse blow? Did the failure patterns seem similar to both types?

5. Has anybody made any performance measurements on their equipment with various types of fuses?

So I'm hypothesizing about some ways in which fuses could affect circuit performance, and there are two things I can think of. First, if silver wire is used, then since silver has a lower melting point than copper, the fuse resistance *could* possibly be lower for a given rating. Also, many slow-blow fuses seem to have a resistive element wound around a central core, so it's possible that these could be inductive as well. So what could that mean in a circuit?

First, for a slow-blow line-fuse application, where there is an AC input filter, adding/changing resistance/reactance in the AC line could affect the Q of the input filter, and if this unit was RF suceptible or had a switch-mode power supply, the fuse could therefore affect RF emisions or suceptibility.

Second, many power amplifiers have no snubber capacitors on their rectifiers, and also use fuses for the power-transformer secondary. It's possible here that changing the reactive/resistive characteristics of the fuse could slightly change the switching speed of the rectifier diodes, and affect the diodes' RF emissions.

Third, some power amplifiers use fuses on the DC rails, after the filter capacitors. In this case, it's easy to see how fuse resistance could influence the amplifier performance.

Fourth, if a fuse was placed between a low-voltage linear regulator (like the ubiquitous 78XX or LM317) and its local input filter capacitor, the characteristics of the fuse could affect the regulator's stability, and cause it to oscillate.

And finally, there's the UL rating issue . . . it's important to have confidence that a fuse will blow when its supposed to, and without any certifications, who's to say? At $40 a pop [sic], testing their tolerance and production consistency is a very expensive proposition indeed.

Now I'm not claiming that fuses make a difference, or don't make a difference, I honestly haven't tried, and I'm too cheap to conduct an exhaustive study into the matter. But if anybody has some good data (even if incomplete) on their experiments, please share it.
kirkus
I am now using 6 nines iridium rods cnc milled to fit and then deep cryo'd. Tom
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This circular discussion is very entertaining.

Well Tvad, if fuses were not circular, they would not fit in the holder.
Tbg,

I have installed IsoCleans and can attest that they are indeed a great addition/replacement to the stock fuses. Cleaner, more dynamic, transparent, better pace and quieter than the stock they replaced.

Best regards,

Kenobi
These are my responses to your questions. I am using German tube equipment (in Germany) and I am going against the grain for the norm of the Hi-Fi fuses by using the AHP fuses instead, as my whole listening room is already wired with the breakers and fuses from AHP.
http://www.audiophiles-hifi.de/contents/media/t_Feinsich1_400.jpg

The fuses for the equipment are the copper gold plated versions. These are imported in the states to PS audio under the "Critical link" name; http://www.psaudio.com/products/criticallink.asp

1. What value (ampere rating) were you using, and was it fast or slow-blow (time delay)? Time-delay fuses usually have a letter 'T' in their rating, like "T2.5A" is a 2.5 ampere, slow-blow fuse.

ANSWER: The ratings of my fuses are now T615ma and T3.15 amp (previously T2.5amp). Both types are slow blow.

2. Does anybody have a reasonably decent ohmmeter, and could you measure the difference in resistance between the boutique fuse and the standard one? If you measure, be sure to subtract the resistance of your test leads. Of course, if somebody has an impedance analyzer, I'd love to see that data.

ANSWER: Yes, I do have an ohmeter and a professional Grundig analyzer, have not tried to measure these.

3. What position is this used in? That is, on the AC line, or after the transformer, after the rectifier, etc.?

ANSWER: These fuses are used in line right on the EIC panel where the PC plugs in. On my equipment that is where the fuses are.

4. Has anybody had occasional fuse-blowing with the stock fuse, and replaced it with a boutique fuse, and had the boutique fuse blow? Did the failure patterns seem similar to both types?

ANSWER: Yes, the stock fuse blew several times and the vendor sent out a notice to all owners and mailed new fuses with higher amperage ratings; now 3.15A standard for the tube mono amps, instead of 2.5A.

5. Has anybody made any performance measurements on their equipment with various types of fuses?

ANSWER: When you state "performance measurements", are you implying electronic measurements or listenable differences. My listenable impressions were on the level as swapping tubes from an old set of KT88' with a complete new set of some other brand of KT88's. I state this as for my listening sessions have turned into even more inviting sessions. When I say this, I mean their is more aura, more spacial ques and some more extended energy at mid and higher frequencies. All of this adds up to a listening session full of decays and aura in the music that was somewhat diminished before. Now it is really apparent the ambience of the recordings and the music literally come to life. It has become more palpable with the new fuses in the system I would say.

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