SET with inefficient speakers


i've always wanted to hear how an SET amp would sound at home, but my speakers aren't a good match in theory. they are dali euphonia M4's. floorstanding with two 6.5" woofs. 88db 4 ohm.

however, my listening room is smaller (10'X16'), i sit very close to the speakers, and i don't listen very loud (usually around 80 db level, per recent fooling around with the radio shack meter).

anyone have success with low powered tube amps under similar situation. there is no loacal dealer to do an in-home audition, and i don't want to hassle with different speakers. thanks....
tim1
Tim,

It is hard to predict whether or not a low-powered SET will work for you -- it depends on your taste and priorities, how loud you need your system to play, the particular characteristics of the amp you audition/buy, etc.

I will hazard a guess that a SET amp is within the realm of possibility, but, whether that would be an optimal choice is harder to guess at. When one looks at numbers, most low powered SETs seem completely unsuitable for all but the most efficient commercial speakers. But, I think most people will be surprised at how low a wattage is needed for satisfying volume.

Sonicbeauty raises a very good point about SET amps, or for that matter, any truly worthwhile "improvement" to a system. As one improves quality, the volume level that one tends to listen at should go down as the listener will not be trying to compensate for lack of resolution or poor dynamics with higher volume.

While SET amps using higher power transmitter tubes (845 and 211) will make power much less of an issue, they tend to give up something in the way of performance to the much lower powered tube types, such as the 2a3 or 45. They tend to be more expensive, too, because of the need for a beefier power supply and high voltage wiring. If you can listen to both low and high power types to assess the tradeoffs.

Another consideration is that a SET amps that truly represent what this genre is capable of delivering tend to be quite expensive. While the circuitry may be simple, really good parts are required. In particular, SETs require transformers designed specifically for this use and really good single-ended transformers are very expensive to produce. When priced on a $ per watt basis, SETs seem even more pricey. But, with compatible equipment, the sound is quite special.
Anytime speakers are being driven by less than the ideal amount of power, "success" will be pretty subjective. I know people who use SETs (not flea power) to drive speakers that spec like yours, and state that they hear no benefit with additional power. I seldom share their assessment. Even when I like the sound a lot, I can still hear gains with an increase in power. There is no right or wrong here. It's just one of those times when there is no substitution for listening yourself.
Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.

In the SET world, that usually means starting with efficient or SET-friendly speakers and building your system from there.

Any other approach, outside of luck, leads to a lot of trial & error, with most of it being on the error side.
Agree with Darkmoebius. Many of course not all of the SET posts that are - are coming from folks who expect SET to run most any loudspeaker. Sure some guy will post that his SET drives maggies or 80db 4 ohm BBC monitors. Sure they do music will come out but why not try for synergy. If loudspeaker needs power use amp with the right design power ohm rating for loudspeakers used. We know that load effects responce and levels of distortion of running SET into the wrong loudspeaker will be much greater than running loudspeakers designed for SET use. Plus frequincy responce will not be ideal.
Having recently purchased some NAT SE2SE amps which produce about 70 watts each to drive my Soundlab speakers has shown me that you MUST listen in your own system to achieve what you are trying to accomplish. The NAT SE2SE drive my Soundlabs with ease and authority and if I followed some "informed" opinions my new discovery wouldn't have been realized. I say any person that has doubts about "high powered" SET amps particularly NAT SE2SE driving their inefficient speakers should seek out these amps they are a revelation and are self-biasing.I have had my speakers for nine years and have never heard them produce music so glorious and awesomely real.I have no relationship with any dealers or manufacturers just a music lover. Try them out you will be amazed how your system will sound!!!!!