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Shielding components from EMI/RFI... Help please

A recent experiment with a product designed to reduce EMI/RFI left me curious about other ways to reduce EMI/RFI in my system. In the past ten days, I've stepped onto a slippery slope, at the bottom of which is surely some kind of insanity...

I've been experimenting with copper plates in an effort to absorb, deflect, diffract, and block EMI/RFI. I've tried copper plates under components, on top of components, and inside components.

This is the point where you tell me I don't know what I'm doing and I'm likely to short circuit something and/or electrocute myself. Consider me duly warned. This is also the point where you tell me to get some balanced interconnects, or at least to get some shielded interconnects for Chrissake. Consider me duly informed. Moving on...

I'm hoping you can help me make the most of this experiment, and help me avoid killing a component or myself. My strategy so far has been to:

1. Place copper plates at locations that generate a lot of EMI/RFI, e.g., components with switching mode power supplies or high frequency clocks. The system has a total of 3 SMPS and 3 clocks.

2. Place copper plates at locations that are vulnerable to EMI/RFI, e.g., under the amp, near the transformer.

3. Place copper plates inside noisy components -- in particular, my Meridian G68 preamp/processor. I've begun to build 2 partial Faraday cages, one for the SMPS, and one for the analog output stage.

4. Ground the copper plates either to the component chassis (when plates are used inside a component) or to an independent ground point (when plates are used above/below a component).

Has anyone tried this sort of thing?

Bryon
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almarg
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I can't explain it either, Kijanki. I was just reporting what someone with a strong technical background and a distinguished track record designing this kind of stuff has said. It wouldn't surprise me if he couldn't explain it, either.

One speculative possibility that occurs to me, though, is that if there is jitter at the output of whatever chip, or part of a chip, receives the incoming signal, noise transients corresponding in time to the jittery signal transitions at that point could (to some small extent) couple through the grounds or via other paths to circuit points that are downstream from the jitter reduction circuitry, ultimately affecting the timing of d/a conversion. That is perhaps a bit far-fetched, but it seems conceivable to me that it could be a perceivable effect with SOME equipment.

As far as differences between lossless audio formats are concerned, see my thoughts here, and in my subsequent posts in that thread. Note that Steve N. (Audioengr) had some alternative thoughts.

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-- Al
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Hi Bryon,
My last post was not allowed. Probably because I referred to another audio site that has about 200 posts about the use of neodymium magnets. You have to experiment with them to find where the magnetic fields are emanating from in your system -- typically transformers in components and AC adapters. Then you let the magnets guide you to the "sweet spot". I use 1/8" x 1/2" neodymium magnets in bundles.

They make a difference because they draw off the magnetic fields from the transformers. You place them on the outside of components and AC adapters. This has worked very well for me with SR MPCs that have a strong magnetic field.
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The Meridian G68 has a ground wire running from the IEC input to the chassis. As discussed in earlier posts, the G68's PSU has a SECOND ground wire that is also connected to the chassis, but at a different point. You can see a diagram here. You can see a picture of the PSU's ground wire here.

Yesterday, while upgrading the AC wires running from the IEC input to the PSU, I removed the ground wire connecting the PSU to the chassis. The ground wire connecting the IEC input to the chassis is still in place. Works normally, but...

Have I created a safety hazard?

Thanks,
Bryon
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Hi Bryon,

I think we had concluded earlier that the ground wire connecting the PSU to the chassis was for the purpose of connecting filter capacitors between the chassis and each of the two AC input wires (hot and neutral). Therefore removing that ground wire will not create a safety hazard, but it may reduce to some degree the effectiveness with which noise entering the unit from the AC line is filtered.

With the ground wire disconnected, what you have is the two capacitors in series (the series combination having a total capacitance equal to half of the capacitance of each of the capacitors) connected between the AC hot and AC neutral wires. That will provide some degree of noise filtering, but presumably less than if the ground wire were connected.

Whether or not the difference in noise filtering might have any audible significance is not predictable with any certainty, as I'm sure you realize.

Best,
-- Al
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I've applied mu metal foil that I was able to purchase on teh internet to shield my phono section from external EMI/RFI with good results.

My understanding is mu metal is designed specifically for this kind of application.

Check my "OHM Sweet OHM" system listing for pics of teh rather crude but effective mu metal enclosure I made around the Electrocompaniet step up transformer that I use with my low out mc cart and some discussion around same a couple years back. This effectively eliminated some external RMI/EMI issues from external devices that I was having with that particular device when I acquired it.
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