Pwr. conditioner necessary w/dedicated AC lines?

I had the dedicated lines FIRST, and also a Tice Power Block 3, which made a positive difference compared to running my amps into the wall (which surprised my friend who built the amps). Bought the P300 last and am running my front end gear into it because I CAN tell a difference and it's a substantial one. Obviously, YMMV. Dave

No need to be confused. Whenever I speak of line conditioning as being absolutely foundational to any system worth listening to, I always qualify that by including the word 'proper' with line conditioning.

So why include the word proper? Simply because way too many people think any line conditioning must be better than none and you have just demonstrated that simply is not the case.

In fact, I've witnessed this same performance gain at a friend's house when we removed his ps audio 300 from his APL-modified Denon 3910 and plugging it straight into the wall.

If you want line conditioners that actually benefit the sonics without inducing their own harm, then just like any other component, you must do your homework. Regardless of how many people are buying a given product.

With regard to dedicated circuits/lines, they actually have little/nothing to do with proper line conditioning.

Dedicated circuits/lines are to help isolate your components from appliance and dimmer noises from within the home, but so will proper line conditioning

Moreover, 'proper' line conditioning should include bi-directional filtering in order to prevent the bi-directional digital noise generated by a cdp/dac from infecting other components.

But in short, 'proper' line conditioning should suffice for all of your AC filtering needs.

On the other hand, dedicated circuits/lines ultimately should only benefit your amplifiers by ensuring they have enough juice to properly reproduce the very dynamic loud/complex musical passages. And in my experience with installing dedicated circuits/lines the macro-dynamic improvements were be tremendous. Dedicated circuits/lines should be installed for all but the smallest current drawing amps.

-IMO

I would like to reactivate this thread now that a little time has passed to perhaps get some new feedback. I am still using my P300, but ONLY for my BAT VK3i preamp (I am still running my CD player "direct" to the wall, which again is a isolated dedicated line).

My question still remains - those of you with dedicated AC lines - what is your experience with using power conditioners? Which application seems to bring the most improvement? Amps, preamps, CDP, etc? Also --- what are some of the "hot" brands of conditioners, that don't cost over $2k retail?

Thanks!

i was most surprised when a silver circle PP1 v 3.0 made an audible / drastic improvement in line noise on source gear, esp given that i have dedicated lines w/ twisted romex, and its only 8ft of romex b/w breaker and AC outlet.

point being: you cannot know in advance.

the more resolving your system, the bigger the improvement. but dedicated lines are the best bang for the $.

rhyno

I installed a dedicated line for my system, then added the Jon Rische AC line filters to clean/quiet the power. http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/surge.htm One for the front-end and one at the power amps.