Hi Ait, unfortunately I have no experience with amp2amp warfare. . . . and I have not yet heard the Gilmore. Do you know if it will be featured at RMAF?
But on this particular thread we are not contrasting digital amps, rather we are enumerating combinations of switching amps and tube pres that we have personally enjoyed and found to be working well. Have you driven the Gilmore with a tube pre? G. |
Guidocorona, you left out the Gilmore from your list. In my evaluation, the Gilmore blew the NuForce Ref 9 SE V2 completely and utterly out of the water. I'm sure it was just an oversight... |
DynaPAS(all upgraded) with a hypex UcD400 power amp. Sounds
great. |
"I have a Supratek Sauvignon using balanced IC's into a Spectron M3 SE and the combination is wonderful."
And there you have it guys. . . all great switching amps driven by great tube pres. . . spectron, Rowland, NuForce, Bel Canto. . . and they will work just fine together! |
I have a Supratek Sauvignon using balanced IC's into a Spectron M3 SE and the combination is wonderful.
Your words are exactly what I'm hearing, also I'll add quiet,extended,smooth,transparent,dynamic,and finesse. |
07-24-08: Guidocorona asked:
"Hi Dave, did you mean Spectron digital amps rather than Spectral? Spectron Mus 3 is a fabulous switching amp!"
Sorry, yes I meant Spectron.
Dave |
A fantastic, yet simple, system employing class D is a PS Audio GCC 100/250 or 500. Great value and outstanding sound when combined with the right cables. My favorite speaker cable is Clear Day solid Core Shotgun or Double Shotgun. DS is clearly better but almost twice the price. My CD player is a Raysonic 168. Speaker choices will depends on how much space you have, whether that space is dedicated to audio or shared and what type of music you listen to. |
Hi Larryi, JRDG has made many amps in the course of their history. Which model did you listen to? 1, 201, 9, 3, 5, 112, 301, 7, 302, 7M, 6, 8, 312, 12, 501, 8HC, 9T, 102, and a few more? Some are switching amps, and some are not, some have been great sounding, while some have been just great experiments. |
To a great extent, component compatibility is unpredictable, and the only way to really know is to actually try different combinations. However, as a general rule, I have found that the idea of mixing and matching so that the strengths and weaknesses of one are "balanced" by contervailing strengths and weaknesses of another hardly ever works out; one tends to lose the good qualities of each as a result rather than attaining balance.
I have tried solid state linestages with tube amps, as well as the other way around, and while some mixes worked out reasonably well, for me all tube worked the best. Some of the worst combinations I tried were tube linestages feeding solid state.
I've only heard the Bel Canto Class D amp and a very expensive Rowland (@ $14k). A bunch of friends had fun trying the Rowland in their systems. The Rowland worked best in a system where it was fed by a balanced Hovland preamp. While "not bad" in this system, it did not sound great either. The top end seemed shut down and microdynamics were slightly blunted.
In the other friend's system, which is a very sensitive and very picky custom horn system (fed by a custom tube linestage), the Rowland sounded much worse. It had an odd, unnatural sound that I could not exactly place what was wrong (not an obvious tonal problem). Again, the top end was almost completely missing, but, more troubling was a loss of the sense of notes naturally blooming into space and decaying naturally. Musically, the system lacked "soul" and sounded lifeless compared to what it sounded like with very small triode amps. It may be the case that the amp would be at its best delivering much more power as these speakers require very little power (they are about 106 db/w efficient).
Both of these systems have been carefully constructed over the course of many years, so a quick drop-in test hardly says anything about the inherent qualities of the Rowland amp. But, it does demonstrate that they are hardly the panacea for any ALL systems. |
Hi Dave, did you mean Spectron digital amps rather than Spectral? Spectron Mus 3 is a fabulous switching amp!
In answer to the original question, I have heard several times Bel Canto Evo 2 mk.2 monoblocks driven by a VTL 6.5 in balanced mode. . . and the combination was quite delicious, while exhibiting no audible problems.
NuForce Sig V9 SE monos worked very well with my ARC Ref 3 in balanced mode. . . large sound stage, excellent imaging and extension. . . very graceful really!
I have also driven a Rowland 312 digital amp in balanced mode with an Audio Research Ref 3, and the result was excellent.
Just one recommendation. . . as digital (or switching) amps are usually true balanced designs, it may be advisable to drive them with balanced line stages to maximize results.
Guido |
yes, i going the Bel Canto s300 to power a set of PMC TB2's. I now just have to find the pre-amp. I need 220-240v though where I live. 2 line outs as well so I can run an active sub too in the future.
I have been researching, Rogue, second hand Conrad Johnson, some good things said about Juicy Peach (funny name) I like the look of the Modwright company, are they expensive. There are so many company's I have never heard of. Where does the worm hole stop? |
I have the Supratek Chenin tube preamp (modified to use 7193 tubes instead of 6SN7) running into the Gilmore Raven Class D amp, powering Zu Druids/Mini Method sub. I think it sounds great! Crisp, clean and very powerful. |
If you can get a good impedence match, use balanced IC runs and the amps have good RFI/EMI rejection, then it can work very nicely. The Bel Canto is one good choice. Also look at Jeff Rowland Design Group and Spectral for amps that do all the above.
Dave |
I have a Modwright tube pre-amp and Bel Canto M300s driving Von Schweikert VR-4. The IC runs are 15 feet. I have had no problems whatsoever. I contacted both Bel Canto and Dan Wright prior to purchase and they both assurred me that it would be fine. They were correct. It is a beautiful combination and trouble-free. You do have to match the impedances. Contact the manufacturer if in doubt. For instance, Upscale Audio did not recommend the Prima Luna tube pre-amp with the M300s because of impedance mis-matching. Good luck |
