Does Anyone Use Pro Audio Speakers as their Main?


I'd guess most people here are using high quality domestic loudspeakers powered by some well regarded amplifier for their listening pleasure; but there must be some who have bravely ventured into the realm of active studio monitors in pursuit of greater sonic accuracy as promised by the likes of Genelec, Neumann, Yamaha, JBL, Mackie, Kali Audio ect.


It could be of interest to the rest of us if they are willing to share their experiences of how they found this transition into the world of Pro Audio.

cd318

I did that, starting in 2004 or 2005. I picked up a pair of Yamaha HS80 8” near-field monitors and the companion HS10W 10” studio sub for my computer setup. I had a pair of KEF Q60 bookshelf speakers in my main system. The computer system was driven by an M-Audio Firewire Audio interface with balanced XLR outs.

After moving into a larger place, I removed some components from the HS80 built in amplifiers; basically ripped out the bass limiting circuit to make them perform correctly in a midfield environment. I had already been using them zeroed out with a pro analog EQ and spectrum analyzer.

Later, I bought more, adding a theater processor and eventually totalling out at 7 monitors and 5 of the studio subs. I’ve voiced them not to be flat but to follow the Toole/Olive psychoacoustic response curve, as measured at the listening position, published from research by JBL Labs.

All in all my experience is tremendously positive. Studio monitors are cheap, they take insane amounts of EQ without batting an eyelash, have fantastic off axis response, are amazingly detailed. I’ve stuck with this system for 20 years and find it is more convincing to listen to than friends’ systems costing an order of magnitude more.

If I were to upgrade today, I’d just get better monitors from Genelec or Neumann.

@engineears

All in all my experience is tremendously positive. Studio monitors are cheap, they take insane amounts of EQ without batting an eyelash, have fantastic off axis response, are amazingly detailed. I’ve stuck with this system for 20 years and find it is more convincing to listen to than friends’ systems costing an order of magnitude more.

 

Thank you for that.

That was exactly what I was looking for, first hand experience.

 

If I were to upgrade today, I’d just get better monitors from Genelec or Neumann.

Perhaps I’ve dropped by the ASR forum a little too often but I’m beginning to think the same.

I’m sure it would be interesting to see the likes of these going up against the great and the good from domestic audio.

@cd318 

Just know that studio monitors are pro gear and many, especially the smaller ones, are voiced for accuracy in near field monitoring. So for example, the Yamaha's have non-linear response to gain; as you turn them up, the bass doesn't increase at the same rate as the higher frequencies. This is because they're trying to keep bass from becoming too loud when you're sitting close. I had to take mine apart and modify them to stop this behavior, which involved literally snipping components out of the active crossover. Non-trivial.

Bigger monitors geared toward mid-field listening or main monitors shouldn't have that issue, but they're not cheap. Just don't think that you can get away with the little desktop monitors in a full sized listening room.

For me, monitors aren't a way to save money, they're a way to get better accuracy and more control. With DSP (mine don't have it onboard, but many monitors have this built in) I was able to get mine within ±0.5 dB of the response curve I wanted at the listening position. The imaging I get with stereo, 5.1, and 7.1 is insanely great, but it took years of monkeying with settings and a lot of learning to get my gain structure and room/speaker correction where it needed to be.

@engineears 

Bigger monitors geared toward mid-field listening or main monitors shouldn't have that issue, but they're not cheap. Just don't think that you can get away with the little desktop monitors in a full sized listening room.

 

Agreed.

Anything that's only for for near field listening is hardly going to work in a domestic setup and anything that can't get down to a solid 40Hz is probably going to need a sub.

 

For me, monitors aren't a way to save money, they're a way to get better accuracy and more control.

 

Yes, good loudspeakers do not come cheap.

Good accurate loudspeakers even more so.

But it's that word 'accurate' that's rarely ever mentioned when it comes to domestic loudspeakers.

As for on board DSP, I can see nothing wrong with having that option. In fact it's a growing trend for many domestic models these days of having some limited way of adjusting treble output built in.

 

Perhaps yet another approach is to look out for brands that produce models for both markets eg ATC, PMC, JBL etc?

@fac 

Surely that can't be right for all pro audio speakers?

Some of these manufacturers pride themselves on having the flattest possible frequency response that would make many domestic designs look positively skewed.

Their opinions are usually backed up by plenty of data too.

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no ,, pro audio monitor too hazy  , too cloudy  and sometimes treble is high make bleeding ear   ,, i wish i have mini  h a  mer  to dest  oy all pro audio speaker

@cmpunk01 

That's a good summing up of the many reasons why someone may well choose pro audio speakers.

Versality is certainly an important factor and pro speakers always tend to be far more versatile. This includes having more ways of adjusting the speaker to the room via built-in equalising controls/switches.

All mainly due to having an amplifier built-in.

This pro/domestic dichotomy has always appeared to be a little strange given that they are both seeking to do the same job, namely the accurate reproduction of the signal they are being fed.

So you'd think that the only significant difference would be the cosmetic appearances, but alas no.

Domestic loudspeakers rarely, if ever, claim to put accuracy first.

Pro-audio inc Tannoy monitors and Altec, RCA, Western Electric and JB Lansing theater horns and those can be superior to standard audiophile fair.

I have been venturing into pro audio for the past few months...currently in the process of getting active crossovers dialed in on some big Yamaha horn installation speakers.

Coincedentally or not, most audiophile speakers I’ve owned (jbl, tad, etc) are from companies that also have their fingers in pro audio.

I have also been quite happy with a pair of Yamaha HS8 near field monitors in my office room, running it with a Schiit preamp and dac.

@cd318 wrote:

... but there must be some who have bravely ventured into the realm of active studio monitors in pursuit of greater sonic accuracy as promised by the likes of Genelec, Neumann, Yamaha, JBL, Mackie, Kali Audio ect.

It could be of interest to the rest of us if they are willing to share their experiences of how they found this transition into the world of Pro Audio.

I came from "traditional" hi-fi, which is to say the lower to moderately efficient segment of direct radiating, coned (and planar magnetic tweeter hybrids) speakers to waveguide-based designs (with both dome tweeters and compression drivers), and eventually horn designs; all-horns as well as horn hybrids with large format compression drivers and horns (i.e.: 2" exit) and 15" paper-coned lower to central midrange/midbass drives and horn-loaded 15" woofers for subs duties. All high efficiency, which is to say 97 to 111dB's, and outboard actively configured.

The drivers used in the speakers I've owned have been pro segment for about 15 years now, but it wasn't until some 4 years ago where a bought a pair of used cinema speakers from Electro-Voice that they became pro segment through and through, and with large format mids/tweeter horns to boot. That stuff is rugged with duratex finish and built for high intensity use in cinemas for years, day in day out. 

I've had an inkling towards horn-based, high efficiency speakers for years really. Up through the late 80's and early 90's I developed a keen interest in larger JBL designs, the likes of which count the 250Ti's, 4430/4435, Everest DD55000 and K2 S9500's (they had a retailer in my local area), the latter two of which (especially the S9500's) were my favorites of the bunch. They were also rather expensive for a young man, and instead I veered off into the more traditional fare of inefficient, smaller to medium sized and direct radiating speaker designs over a period of years. 

There's no doubt though that I'd been driving home with those large JBL's had finances (and space) allowed at the time. Not to say the JBL's did everything "the one and only way"; I also very much liked the Snell A's and Quad ESL 63 with assisted open baffle Gradiant subs (2x12" Peerless woofers per cab) that were designed for use with the Quad's in mind, placed underneath each of them and thereby lifting them to proper listening height. I remember thinking if only those segments of speakers had shared traits into a single design that more or less had it all (and that fruition is looking to be achievable down the road). At the end of the day I feel that goal is better approximated with large, high eff. designs than the other way 'round. 

Anyways, the years through university I scaled down to smaller speakers to finally end up where I am now with more fully flexed and large horn-based speakers, but with the important addition of now running them outboard actively and assisted with horn variant subs. Also, the amps used over the entire frequency range (incl. the subs) are virtually similar, and this is not trivial when subs are used.

I can't imagine going back to domestically aimed horn speakers, as they're typically too expensive for reasons that really has nothing to do with sound but rather aesthetics and trying to comply with interior decoration demands and spousal approval, and moreover they're mostly restricted physically/size-wise and run passively, none of which serve horn-based designs and actually keeps them from performing at their best, as I see it. 

I've come to focus more on the broader, physical-acoustical aspects of speakers vs. trying to cultivate a physical package that's too compromised as an outset. I've had enough of running after that holy cow of audiophilia train with its dubious and (to me) insignificant areas of attention into gadgets, brand appraisal, looks, snobbery and vanity even. There are bigger and more important fish to fry. 

While they are not the mains, I run Genelec 8341A's in my office where I do perhaps even more listening than on the main system, and I've been impressed with how well they hold up to, even at times exceed the McIntosh, Burrmester and SF Il Cremonese system in our den.  

The 8341s, fronted by a Lumin U1 mini, Mutec MC3+, and my work Mac Pro desktop bring 95% of the musicality and detail retrieval of our main system, lacking only in max SPL and bass extension below 35Hz when compared to the much larger, more expensive and complex 7' stack of McIntosh and Burrmester boxes in our den.