Does loudness play a part in your appreciation?


I wish it weren’t so but listening at high volume (around 70 decibels) tends to make me get more involved in the music.

How about you?

rvpiano

I normally listen at a 70db average with percussive or fff to ffff passages reaching 80 to 90db.  I find this level enjoyable and not triggering sever adverse reactions from my wife and family members (no dedicated listening room, formal living room serves as listening room).  However, they may still react to louder peaks.  This is below mid orchestra/front first tier seating where the average sound level is 70 to 90db with peaks of over 100db (see references and my own iPhone measurements that are not posted, as inaccurate as they are).  When in the mood for reproducing the concert experience, I will raise the average to a 90db level.  Rock concerts average 100db and 120db peaks.  I do not find  that enjoyablevat a concert or in my home.  See some peer reviewed literature:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8073416/#:~:text=Clark%20%5B103%5D%20measured%20average%20sound,risk%20of%20NIHL%20for%20anyone”.
https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article-abstract/55/8/893/264708?redirectedFrom=fulltext
 

https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/352277/9789240043114-eng.pdf?sequence=1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7050229/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2004/01/11/the-decibel-debate-sound-and-the-symphony/

https://www.earpros.com/blog/how-loud-are-concerts#:~:text=Classical%20music%20concerts%20range%20from,levels%20often%20exceed%20120%20dB

 

 

@jsalerno277 

+1

I had season tickets to the symphony for over ten years, 7th row center. I agree, sound levels of 70 - 90 were most common with crescendos well over a hundred. 

I find every album has a volume level that just "sounds right" on my system. Some albums require 85-90, others no more than 75. But overall my system sounds best at an80db average with peaks at 90. That's where everything sounds real but not overwhelming. 

@komono

Peter Walker, the brains behind Quad amplifiers and electrostatic speakers, said that the volume knob should be treated like the focus control on a camera.  Use it to bring the music into focus, which I interpret to mean place yourself at the volume level intended by the recording engineer, where the balance of instruments best approaches reality.

His byline was "the closest approach to the original sound" and he targeted classical music, which has a much bigger dynamic range than most other genres.  He recognised that it was practically impossible to reproduce typical front-row sound levels, and instead described reproduced music as listening through an open window into a concert hall.

I am pretty sure most people instinctively keep turning the volume up until distortion raises its ugly head, at which point the volume is still way below the peak levels of un-amplified orchestral instruments.  I know that applies to me and I probably play far too loud to not be damaging my hearing.

Completely agree with your comments on how meaningless db 'measurements' can be without further details.

Richard, distortion is likely an issue for lots of people, especially those who use traditional dynamic speakers. That’s one reason I’ve mostly been attracted to planars, either Magnepans or, for the least 15 years, Quad 63s. I would think horns would also exhibit low distortion, but my experience with them is very limited. In any event, it seems possible that some of the folks who are listening at what seem to be low levels do so because it sounds better to them due to increased distortion at higher levels. Just a hypothesis.