tnx everyone for some guidance...tom i read alot of c1mk1 and aware that they need quality amplifier to give their best...but heard that speaker is not the best solution for rock music (stated form some much experiencer folks out here)
im lisening all kind of music prefering acustical instruments mostly...but sometimes i like to put some heavyer music...so if dyns play rock without any trouble i would be more interested...just to say im not a bass freak...im more music freak heh...and would be dissapointed when here and ther want to push louder or something and hear thin sound or something...and xti16 i must say you have exelent amp...i heard that on some hi fi show was played dyns and octave combo and that played great...but here in croatia we have no octave dealer so i cant experiment with that...im thining on some 300 350 healthy watts in 4 ohm maybe some simaudio ss integrated...when the time comes...dont have money for separates...what music do you listen on dyns and octave at most times...and how much DB loudnes you get with your combo before clipping... |
Xti16 you say acoustical guitar heh...nice nice...i listen alot of stefanovski and tadić acoustical...witch i reccomend to you...live in belgrade...exelent stuff...i think it would be sounding great on your equipmennt...i will not bother you with my amps or speakers becuz they are crappy...far from high fidelty...but i enjoy them 7 years from now...and want to upgrade on speakers i can hold for manny years...i dont have money to experiment and change dozen amps and speakers niether i can listen to all combinations here in croatia so i want take proper speakers and integrated for most kind of music...too bad we are not market...Extravaganza...dont joke on accordion...i listen Tom Waits alot :) thanx for the kind words everyone |
yes...i was considering to buy speakers brand new and search for the right amp..amp could be second hand but i want new speakers...i read that dynaudio reccomends ocos cables...and i think that the new confidence are internal wired with ocos...so i will first start with that...heard that bryston got good synergy with dyns but i will try to aim something little better cuz i dont want to change gear much...i want keeper...2 bad i heard that Karan acoustic i180mk2 has bad synergy with dyns...i can get it in half price...quality gear...and puristic design...just what i like...but im hooked up more on dyns than Karan if you get my point... |
xti witch turntable are you using ( you diddnt told me you have it but i have strong feeling you might been using one on such fine combination) and im interested previous you said that new dyns are little less louder than old model...where you figured that...on your previous ss amp or at the dealer... |
...im aware of that...read all kinds of reviews of c1 but i wanted to hear from first hand about sound characteristics of the new model...you keep them little close to the wall but i supose you have the correct sound as i see you are happy overall...and how can you compare cremona m with c1...im also considering sonus fabers...they indeed have seductive sound...but i think they are little colored...im suspicious how sonus manages to play all kinds of music correct...but for the acoustical are maybe best what i heard...and i heard that new SF are less colored than old models but they lost old sound a bit...well new men new sound... |
interesting...witch ss integrated would you reccomend Ryder for c1...do you have a favorite...im for mostly neutral sound..maybe a bit warmish side...i dont like too colored sound...for all types of music...Jkuc im interested in the tube sound and i will get them one day...i think c1 with tubes sounds exelent...but i like to push up sometimes and i dont know much bout tubes so i will try to stick to A/B ss integrated with dyns for the beggining... |
"powerful tube amps" that would be ideal but $$$$$...Xti16 im interested in DDC dynaudio directivity control...have you noticed some big difference between old and new model...its been said that this tehnology reduce the energy dispersed to the floor and ceiling by 75%...and how this affect on a sweet spot... |
c1 sigs are smaler so maybe they dont need ddc...and your room size where the sigs are based is...when i move i will have 4.60x5.80m room...its small to mid space where i mean to keep speakers so your opinion bout dyns would be useful to me... |
Xti...tell me...before your old dyns...witch speakers wou have owned...and witch manufacturers besides dynaudio you regard as good money/value option...and how much your dyns are far from back wall...how that affects on bass...do you use sub on your combo...(im starting asking questions like gestapo:) |
tnx for guidance...i heard bout viennas...but i like more neutral speakers...im not limited on one kind of music...sometimes i like more foward sometimes laid back...not allways laidback...but ill stick with dyns i think i will be overall pleased...if i get your story they are right in the middle...with little luck my dealer will have mk2 in a few months so i will audition them and make my final decision...meanwhile i will try to audition some other gear...i will see if subwoofer will be needed...i will take dyn sub 600 if needed...think that would be best for synergy...cheers |
Trigon el. never heard...ill check...but exelent to know that dyns are so refined and most of the instruments sound lifelike...when i listened some old SF monitor before 8 yrs. i concluded that they play exelent acoustic string instruments...but encountered some problems on more heavyer and more dynamic music...so its blessing to have speakers that all music works well...Xti my dream is exelent full range florstander and separates without subwoofer but cannot afford so in my opinion in this chase it would be nice to have sub with dyns to cover below 45hz for more lifelike sounding and with good integrated that has sub out...thats far cheeper and overall preety decent equipment to all normal people... |
i agree...becuz of tricky sub setup i first wanted just floorstanders...then i dont have to think...i was aiming at new focus 380...seems to me that is quite good speaker...but its 300w and it would be ideal but i need monster of integrated amp for that speakers...not in range...so c1 mk2 with proper sub and little less (lets say double less) demanding integrated...hell...i think that could be cheaper and better sounding combo...just to blend the sub properly as you say... |
tnx paul on a kind words...i was thinking bout that...and i would buy second hand c1 coldblooded if the price is good...regarding my limited budget...it was mostly related on separates...that means i can buy a decent integrated...maybe i could buy separates...but i dont want wait for 2 3 years more to complete the system...so option is that before end of this year...and if i get c1 at cheeper price maybe even sooner...i must plan good...tnx everyone on tips and good will... |
paul i have readed your review some time ago...good review...im interested you said that my room could be big for c1....im not so shure...4.6x5.8m so when i put speakers bout 3 feet behind wall i assume it will be good my listening position will be 3m away...it could be problems with bass but im not pesimist...i think that this room could be ideal for c1...smaller room could make problems with bass...atleast thats my experience...i will try my b&w monitors first there so i will see how room reacts and how they fill the room...they are 50w weaker then dyns...and paul you may not noticed that but xti diddnt discharge less powerful amps...he also has octave integrated and driving dyns with no problem...i think 70w class a...what you probbably wanted to say is to buy quality power...regardles of amp watts...cheers |
paul im sorry for mistake but i misread what you said to me bout discharging less powerful amps and the xtis advice heh...sorry once again... |
i also dont like overly detailed speakers...after a half hour they tire me...just want relax by the music and not think bout anything...regarding the price...i called my dealer and i can get c1mk2 and stand new for about 5500eu (i get good discount if i pay expensiver gear with cash) so as alternative i would take used c1 mk1 if its in range of 3500eu max nothing more(if it has no guarantee)...i think thats somewhat logic thinking... |
no problem paul...niether is my first language...you write pretty correct for me to understand...it was my reading mistake...you all are describing your perception of speakers for every question asked werry well...i hope it will help some other folks who might be interested in dyns... |
my dealer has stand3 and stand4...i dont care much about speaker looks, stand looks or the logo...my only consern is the speaker SOUND...so when we speak bout stands i only worry bout they being "lively" as J.A. from the stereophile wrote in the measurements(i think that can be resolved to fill them with the sand if i get it right)...the speaker should be greatly transparrent if all treated well...what i would like to know is there difference in material or design in stands with new and old logo tnx... |
i thought maybe they have new (improved) models of stands for c1 sigs. but i guess im wrong... |
so Xti did the dealer said bout differeences in new stands...are they tehnicaly "better" then old stand4...Paul i will agree with your observation of stereophiles reviewer but anyone who has logic thinking should reject his silly statment bout that...still dont understand why he diddnt fill stands with the sand....he was reviewing delicate speakers... |
yes dyn stands are double cheaper than SF stand 4-5 times cheaper than Focal...diablo utopia with stands are 3k euros expensiver than c1...does it makes better...no...i think their quest for berillyum tweeter was expensive so now they are overpricing their speakers to get the cash back(manny cash goes on focals luxtry looks also) im not sayin that focal is trash...i like focal...but i would rather go on esotar2 and dyns sound more full bodied...less detailed...more real by my taste...every speaker driver etc. has its weakness and good things so you cant tell witch is best speaker...you can only choose witch sounds best to your ears...i doubt i would be not satisfied with B&W805D or diablo or dyns or SF guarneri M...but dyns are priced somwhere in middle...and its not 2forward or laid back speaker...just in middle...and i think i will manage to push more volume with dyns without problems(not to mention barr response)...Nvp ive heard vivids are bang 4 the buck regarding the sound...manny liked vivid more then dyns on forums...but vivid bookshelf is little shy on bass and got strange looks for many...i dont have vivid dealer in croatia...but i was interested to hear them...i think they are made in south africa... |
Abe sorry for late reply...i havent heard the C1mk2 so cant tell you nothing significant you better talk with the Xti16 cuz hes got the pair...i will probably end with new focus 380 becuz i think that will be overall better speaker choice for me but my dealer told me c1s are little tricky to position them perfectly in the room but i dont think its a major problem...and as Xti16 said you should get them away from the back walls...if you are not a bass freak i think c1 will be excellent choice for you...my sweet problem for now will be finding adequate amplification for focus 380...im aiming on ASR emitter 1 exclusive and i contacted dynaudio about that...Mr. Ronald Hoffmann answered that ASR will be a good match with dyns so im seriously aiming on that combination...i just have to see how the speakers will interact with my room acoustics...i know im not much of help but you as i said Xti16 will answer you alot of questions about this fine speakers...my regards... |
Paul, congratulations on your choice of speakers...you must be enjoying them very much...great piece of gear...musical nirvana...kind regards |
