Great musicians who should have been famous except....


I'm throwing this out there as an example. My 16 yr old aspiring drummer son asked me if I had anything in the vinyl collection tonight... apparently the U Tube video tutorials finally got boring. He is really good and practices non stop but it was refreshing when he asked about ideas for sound. In a moment of 30 years past clarity I put on the B side of Van Halen 1984… Is Alex Van Halen the most under rated rock drummer of all time? And is there a better lead in to ANY rock vinyl side than that???
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Keith Moon...mega famous and not an underrated drummer.

Isn't this what the thread is about?

IMO the greatest unknown (by the vast majority of even hardcore music lovers, including all y'all ;-) is guitarist Danny Gatton. He's well known amongst good musicians, such as Vince Gill, who nicknamed Danny The Humbler. If you like Bill Frisell (as you "should"), you will love Danny Gatton.

When David Sanborn had NRBQ on his TV show, he introduced them as "The best Rock 'n' Roll band in the world". How many here have heard them? One of the coupla best live bands I've ever seen & heard, and that list included The Who with Keith Moon, whom I saw twice. 

I wouldn’t waste any time with Rock drummers. Put on some buddy rich and have the kid have at it.



Naw Wolf, Richie Hayward was a musician, not a mere technician, which is on what basis so many judge a drummer’s abilities. Like I said, as if drumming is an athletic activity, not an artistic one.

By the way, the last time Levon Helm performed in L.A. (at The House Of Blues), Richie got up on stage with Levon and his band (and his daughter Amy, who was singing) and played drums on one song. The love, respect, and admiration of each for the other was obvious. When Levon's autobiography was released, he did a book-signing at Book Soup on Sunset (directly across the street from Tower Records). As I waited in line to have my copy signed, I sensed a commotion behind me. Turning around, I saw Ringo Starr walking up along the line, "taking cuts" to get to the desk where sat Levon. Nobody objected, of course ;-) . 

I never liked anything from the Moody Blues, but as with most working Rock and Roll musicians coming up through the 70s who saw a Little Feat show you'd think, man, that's an astonishing friggin' drummer. Feat were worshipped by Zep and many others, were considered the hottest live American band in their day, and Richie was a big part of their utterly "funky space age" sound.
I saw Little Feat live in Baltimore before Lowell George passed - man what a show - they were my favs back then still have all the albums w/Lowell.  Also saw the great Roy Buchanan live a couple times in the DC area.  
I've never been a huge Moody Blues fan, but I saw them two or three years ago (maybe longer) in Portland (OR) and they put on a great show. They rocked a lot harder than they do on their records. 
The late Terry Kath! Who played on the first five Chicago records and impressed Jimi Hendrix! Sadly now long gone!

Clifford Brown - great mid-fifties Jazz trumpet player who died way too young in a car crash!
Dennis Brain - virtuoso British horn player who likewise passed away untimely!
I will call him "George." Fantastic guitarist I played with in the 60’s. He could literally sound like Hendrix and Clapton. Why is he not famous today? Arrogance and conceit. I will just call him "George Unworthy."
Thought I'd throw a few great, highly distinctive but underappreciated guitarists into the mix:
Sandy BullTal FarlowLenny BreauDanny KalbPaul KossoffHilton Valentine

As a drummer, and fan of free improv/ avant- jazz, I’m always searching out well recorded, esoteric drummers.

If willing to listen with an open mind I highly recommend going down Hamid Drake, Tyshawn Sorey, and Han Bennink YouTube rabbit holes. Also check out recordings by Dave King (The Bad Plus, Happy Apple, Trucking Company). King has a wonderfully hilarious drum parody series on YouTube called Rational Funk. A fantastic escape for drummers.

... and any of Paul Motian’s recordings on ECM are masterpieces. 
To the OP’s question of best drum lead in, I say all you 70’s rock fans should be ashamed of yourselves. It’s clearly Carl Palmer’s Tank.
part of the beauty is the original studio version is very different from the Works version with orchestra.
Palmer as face forward a style as could be with ELP strongly stated that drum playing should be about the music, not the drummer.  Totally changed his style with Asia.  Seen him several times show how he can makes umpteen different sounds come out of one cymbal, or drum.
Bdp24’

“John Bonham’s famous kick drum triples (ask your son what that means) are played purely to show he can play them---they are musically unrelated to what any other musician is playing.“

Really?  Not what I’m hearing.  At all.  All the players mentioned are great.  No need to single out Bonham for a unfounded snipe.  He was great, and inspired many.


Also, didn’t see Carmine Apple mentioned.  Another foundation for others, including Bonham.
Bomd,
" As a drummer, and fan of free improv/ avant- jazz, I’m always searching out well recorded, esoteric drummers"

Check out: 
Dave Mitchell & James Payment in "Do Make Say Think's" album: "Winter hymn, country hymn, secret hymn"  

A couple other great esoteric drummer are Joe Culver & Ed Farnsworth from the band "Bardo Pond"  

One man’s unfounded snipe is another’s expression of musical taste (or the lack thereof). Eric Clapton in The Last Waltz (I paraphrase, but very close to verbatim iirc): "Music had been headed in the wrong direction for a long time. When I heard Music From Big Pink (played to him by George Harrison), I thought ’Well, someone has finally got it right’."

As a result of hearing The Band, Clapton disbanded Cream, the biggest band in the world. He no longer wished to play music of the sort in which each player looked outward from their individual instruments, but rather music, like that of The Band, wherein each player (and singer) looked in towards the center (the song), playing so as to benefit the "greater good". That’s advanced musicianship, rarely found in Rock (or English fake Blues) bands.

When The Hawks (later known as The Band) met and jammed with Sonny Boy Williamson in 1965 (and began making plans for a U.S. tour together), he told them the bands he had been provided with by the promoter of the British tour he had just returned home from "Wanted to play Blues SO bad. And that’s just how they played it." ;-) One of those bands was The Yardbirds, whose guitarist at that time was.....Eric Clapton.

The opinion that John Bonham "was great" is one not universally held. Buddy Rich dismissed him, and reportedly did a great (mocking) imitation of him. Buddy also referred to Ginger Baker as a "clown". Tough audience! His comment on Ringo Starr was that he was "adequate". Coming from Buddy, that’s almost a compliment!

Well-known studio drummer Jim Keltner (Ry Cooder, John Lennon and George Harrison, Bob Dylan, Bill Frisell, hundreds of others) has said he wishes he played more like one of my favorites, Roger Hawkins of The Swampers (Fame Studios house band, heard on hundreds of records including all the Jerry Wexler-produced Atlantic albums made in that Muscle Shoals, Alabama recording studio).

OP asked for more music?

Chris Botti - Live in Boston. One of the best bluray live recordings. Indian summer.

Supertramp - Crime of the Century. Intro School and so on..Impressing drumworks. You here it best on vinyl.

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath. Best intro ever from a new group?

Duncan Browne - Streets of fire (Simon Phillips). Hear it on U tube.

Phil Colllins band doing First of Frith live in Rome on U tube. That is hard hitting..
Does anyone know anything about the drummer Gene Chrisman?  He played out of Memphis as American Sound Studio's session drummer.
Gavin Harrison is his current favorite so I hope I assuaged all of the major VH concerns. What a great response to this thread, so appreciate it. Does Gavin hit your radar?
bomd +1 / DMST is a great band!

 A couple more great drummers (I suspect you already know about LOL): 
Billy Martin from "Medeski, Martin, & Wood"
Yasunori Takada from the band "mono"
Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Vinnie Colaiuta, Lennie White, Chester Thompson  - “under rated”. I think not -  all of them are some of the most respected and well revered players in the business - dead or alive ( tony) -  they have never been under appreciated.  

Perhaps Roy Haynes might make that list - or Jeff Hamilton - possibly Brian Blade and Bill Stewart - but these are all drum gods - along with many others - hardly under appreciated - they may not have the wealth and exposure of the arena rock power house drummers - but they are appreciated highly by their contemporaries and musician fans 


Bill Stewart is astonishing...I've seen him over the years with Scofield, and 2 current heavy rotation albums around my house are "Toy Tunes" with Larry Goldings and Peter Bernstein, and "Band Menu" with Larry Grenadier and Walter Smith III...highly recommended!
@boxer12

Yeah. Familiar with Billy Martin, not Yasunori Takada though. Looks like his band, Mono, did some output in Tzadik Records which I can get behind. I’ll check ‘em out!
That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard about AVH. He was an and probably still is an awesome drummer. I never ever heard of anyone not knowing who AVH was. Every one that I knew knew that AVH and EVH were brothers in VH. AVH underrated as a drummer????? NEVER EVER !!!!!!! 
Ok good feedback. But I call BS. When u talk VH (does it ever happen??, not in my world) but even if it did would you be talking about AVH with Moon, Bonham, Peart, etc. No way. Its the typical David vs Sammy. Take some responsibility and give some respect where its due?!

The "Hot For Teacher" intro has some controversy surrounding it.  It's AVH on electronic drums and possibly the exhaust sound of one of EVH's Italian sports car at the very beginning.  The drum part is lifted/inspired by a piece by Billy Cobham.

I have always admired how the band Van Halen did their writing credits.

If you want to hear a tremendous drum opening to an album side, then listen to Tony William's Lifetime "Emergency" side one.

@ilikemiles 

I saw Lewis Nash once with Vincent Herring. I spent most of the set watching Nash!