Linear tracking turntables, whatever happened?


Curious as to the demise and downfall of the seemingly short lived linear tracking TT.
Just from a geometry point of view I would have thought a linear arm should be superior to one with a fixed pivot that sweeps through an arc.
Obviously there is much more to it than that, sort of the reason for this thread.
I am genuinely interested in trying one out for myself as well.
128x128uberwaltz
Just fired up my old sl10 after seeing this thread brought back .
With the Adzen p mount cart in it now, I was pleasantly impressed again .
It resides in my PC room system right now but might have to try it again in my main rig now it has a totally different phono and SUT from the last less than satisfying trial.
This is wierd, I just stumbled on this thread after just picking up a Pioneer PL1000 from a work friend who bought it when he was stationed in Germany in 1982. He shipped it home and never played it much if at all. Well, after giving him $50.00 for it, I got it home, opened the box and Wow this TT is brand new. The dust cover is absolutely pristeen. Pluged it in and every thing works perfectly. Now to research a little more n this TT.
@uberwaltz that air prodigy is definitely a partial copy of the Trans Fi Terminator now being produced in Russia since Vic retired -  https://www.musicfromvinyl.shop/

@twoleftears I caved and I just bought a Clearaudio TT5 to try out
Dragged my old Technics SL-10 out today to take a good look at it. I stopped using it as it had started to sound very sibilant. Plus I had a number of other tables so.
After removing the Azden cart I can see the cause of sibilance. The cantilever was bent to one side, have to put that down to me being clumsy I guess.
Rummaged around in my cart drawer and found an old Shure M-92 variant in a p mount, nice find.
Fitted and sat down and suitably impressed with the SQ in my main rig.

As it takes up so little space I will keep it there for a while and put some miles on it.
Kevin
look for some records that sound good to you and are pressed closest to the spindle. Curious if you hear a difference on the inner grooves compared to what u r used to. Cheers Chris . 
Chris.
Guess it's time for my test mofi pressing of Crime of the Century then.

With the best track being the last track so yes very familiar with it.

Report to follow......
I realize it is not an expensive unit compared to your other table....but maybe..... it will give you a glimpse into what is possible. 
If you want to know why linear trackers are a bad idea just watch the cantilever closely while playing a record. The cantilever will deflect towards the spindle and eventually the tonearm follows, overshoots a little deflecting the cantilever away from the spindle than the whole process starts over again. What you have is an oscillating skating force. The sad fact of the matter is that the horizontal effective mass is way too high. The cartridge no longer has any leverage over the horizontal bearing. Even the Clearaudio arms do this.  The right way to do this would be to read the groove lateral movement maybe optically right in front of the stylus and drive the tonearm across the record with a servo mechanism. We can get lasers to read tiny pits in plastic why not groove lateral velocity? 
Chris
I have to say it is sounding rather good.
Certainly no inner groove distortion, not that I ever really noticed that on the 401 unless my cart setup was way off.
This old AT cart is producing an admirable amount of bass and mid. Some of the top end sparkle is missing compared to the Koetsu in the 401 ( as it should bearing in mind the price difference!).
Certainly very listenable.
Now I just have to decide whether to buy a top flight p mount cart and if that really would make any significant difference.

Not that there is a huge market in p mounts these days.
Well I ponied up and bought a Nagaoka c502mp cart for my SL-10.
Mighty spendy at $60 shipped😁😁.
It's a decent improvement for sure and now has a very dynamic and forward sound, something I do not mind too much.
I can see it getting a bit more usage now it's in my main system and a half decent Cart installed.
Just found this thread and have to say, the ONLY turntable I've owned since 1984 is a ReVox B791.  My cartridge then, and still, is an Ortofon VMS20E and I've found new styli for it in the last few years.

I used to cut master lacquers for vinyl in the late 70s to early 80s and wanted to play vinyl exactly as they were cut.  I've had my 791 serviced a couple of times by a great ReVox tech in Nashville.  The servo drive of the cartridge is absolutely brilliant and, since there isn't any groove distortion, everything I play on it sounds great.

The Ortofon cartridge feeds a Graham Slee preamp into my RME AD/DA interface.  I've used this combo many times to create digital masters for old clients who lost their master tapes, but still have 'test-pressings' that were never played.  With a minimal amount of de-click processing, the files are good enough to make CD masters, yet still have that great sound of vinyl.

Very nice first post and many thanks for sharing that story.
Continue to enjoy your tt and this forum!
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Went to a neighboring town record store Sat. There sat this Rabco SL-8E/Panasonic SP-10 MK I combo. Tried to walk away from it. Not fast enough. Had some issues. Got it home last night. Pull the 10 out cleaned and adjusted it. Works fine. played with the arm today. I actually got it moving. But still have issue with the cueing down. Tonight Wed. Played with the arm some more. Actually got the arm lift to work so I don’t have to hold the lift switch. played several albums all the way thru and the arm lifted at the end as it should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBUIDcL1LUc