Load Settings Help: Luxman E-250 and Koetsu Black Line


Hi Folks, I could do with some help as I don't understand load impedance or capacitance settings.  

I have a Luxman E-250 for my phono stage which is connected to a Michell Gyro SE with a Tecnoarm 2 and a Koetsu Black gold line cartridge mounted on the arm.  This all feeds a C900u and a M10x. 

The settings on the E-250 are default but I feel there is more to be had with the sound based on some other similar setups i've heard.  Could I get some recommendations on load settings?   

sdavada

Capacitance doesn’t matter.

Use whatever settings that sound good to you, but try at least 30 ohm or more.

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@viridian Thank you.  I completely missed that on this preamp.  I'll have a play with the options at the front to test what sounds best

Information on the maker’s site is pitiful

 

"Black, Goldline, least expensive

For many, their Koetsu journey starts with the Black Goldline. While it is the most affordable Koetsu, it doesn’t sacrifice what makes a Koetsu special. The Black Goldline uses many of the same parts as the higher end models and the result is effortless musicality and magic.

"From the clarinets in the opening to the deeply textured final chord of the first movement, the Koetsu’s performance was impossible to ignore: This wasn’t just pretty sound in place of the music but sound as a part of the music." Art Dudley, Stereophile

“The thing that really grabs me when listening to this moving coil cartridge is its overarching realism, musicality, clarity, and wide open extended sound.”

Michael Corsentino, Positive Feedback

 

Specifications

Anodized Aluminum Body

Copper Coil Wiring

Samarium Cobalt Magnet

Boron Cantilever

0.4 mV Output

10.2 g Net Weight

Recommended Tracking Force 1.8-2.0g

Recommended Load 75-500 ohms

$2,995"

they don't even tell you it’s a moving coil, (the reviewer mention’s that it is) or it’s coil’s impedance (member viridian tells us above it is approximately 5 ohms coil impedance), or publish any performance specs for stereo separation or channel balance.

they give a wide range of recommended load 75-500 ohms, and tell you it has a boron cantilever, but tell me, what stylus shape is it?

guidance formula for loading a moving coil is start with 10x it’s coil impedance, which is approximately 50 ohms, yet they say 75 to 500 ohms.

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top of the line, Blue Lace, $16k, this is all they tell you

"Specifications

Blue Onyx Stone Body

Silverplated Copper Coil Wiring

Platinum Magnet

Boron Cantilever

0.3 mV Output

12.5 g Net Weight

Recommended Tracking Force 1.8-2.0g

Recommended Load 75-500 ohms

$15,995"

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still hopping about, found a review of a Koetsu Rosewood from 2007 with some info, but tell me what is the Stylus Shape?

"Stylus: specially designed and ground for Koetsu"

"Description: Low-output, moving-coil phono cartridge. Stylus: specially designed and ground for Koetsu. Output: 200µV (1kHz, 5cm/s). Internal impedance: 5 ohms. Frequency range: 20Hz–100kHz. Channel separation: >30dB/1kHz. Channel balance: within 0.5dB/1kHz. Recommended VTF: 1.8–2.0gm. Recommended loading: 5–100k ohms. Compliance: medium-low. Recommended tonearm: medium-high mass."

from this review

a typo? Recommended loading: 5–100k ohms

your Luxman Phono needs to be carefully understood,

the MC High is not what I imagined, it will work with fairly low signal strengths, so you can try the MC Low and MC High options as suggested above

Input sensitivity MM: 3.2mV
MC HIGH: 0.37mV, MC LOW: 0.12mV

 

and it will accept very strong signals without overloading (as noted, caution with the volume when changing from low to high).

Maximum allowable input (1kHz) MM: 120mV
MC HIGH: 15mV, MC LOW: 5mV

 

other settings should be understood (or restored to defaults perhaps),

Luxman Phono E 250 specs

Your going thru your C-900U control unit via RCA unbalanced I suspect as the E-250 Phono has only RCA out, so the c 900U RCA in is 43K input sensitivity

Input sensitivity/Input impedance

Unbalanced 255mV/43kΩ
Balanced 255mV/86kΩ

 

 

 

so I would set the Luxman E 250 dip switches 1 and 2 for 47K impedance

I don’t know, but would like to learn about dip switches 3 and 4 for capacity pF, anyone?

As I understand atma-sphere (Ralph Karsten's) explanation, the lower your setting is, the stiffer the cantilever (& suspension) of your cartridge will get. The higher settings allow the cartridge to track more freely. I have found that many LOMC cartridges sound best at 47K ohms, even  though that is the typical MM cartridge setting.

I'd suggest that you start off with the 47K ohm setting & move down from there. At 47K you may have a brightness or glare If your phono preamp doesn't have a stable circuit. Move to 1K if that is the case and work down. Ralph explains it much better. But I've used 47K for many years with little or no issue

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@viridian

The only way to load a cartridge at 47k on the e250 is to operate it without the transformers in circuit, so in MM mode. In MM mode, the gain is fixed at 38db, the output of the cartridge is .4mV. I doubt it is enough gain.

I did not know the specs on his phono pre and was/am going on the assumption that he could use 47K with a 60db gain as I can. My mistake in this particular instance. .But the idea is still appropriate for those who’s phono pre can load 47K with the MC gain. I have done this with several cartridges.

But considering that the OP may be somewhat new to MC cartridges its good that you pointed this out.

Thank you all for your help.  Clearly i've got some more reading and testing to do.  If that doesn't work out I'll be on the search for a new preamp. 

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Some quick testing, setup sounds best (for my ears at least) on 100K.  Sound is pretty neutral, lacking some low weight on some tracks/records.  

I like the tone of the cartridge and i'm pretty set on it, does anyone have alternative recommendations for a preamp to match the cart?