Need speaker suggestions for my evolving system!


Fair warning:  I'm a total newb - on this site & with audio gear - with a pretty decent (to me) budget and pretty tough WAF standards to meet.

My use case:
- Building a system for both music & tv/movies
- Living room is 17'w x 15'd, with 12' vaulted ceilings.
- Speakers on the 17' wall, facing a wall of windows
- The right side of the room (when looking at the speakers) opens to the dining room & kitchen.  So a pretty big space.
- Want speakers that can fill the room & rock out (my 9yr old likes impromptu dance parties), but also play well at low volumes, since that's when a lot of my listening happens. 

My journey, to date:
- Bought a used pair of Zu Dirty Weekends and LOVED them.  Full sound, super clear to me (coming from a soundbar, that's probably not saying much!), loads of bass even without a sub, and they could CRANK!
- Bought a used Marantz NR-1603 50wpc AV receiver to drive them.  Worked great!
- Wife was not at all happy with the DW's look (that 10" driver was a bit of a surprise), size (12" x 12" x "38), or color (deep, reddish Maple Sangria).  No matter how good they sounded, it was tough to get buy-in on them.
- Same hifi shop got a pair of used Totem Arros in cherry, which were a much better match in size & color.  I tried them out, and they sounded amazing at low-to-moderate volumes, especially with acoustic and vocal music.  I decided to keep them & sell the DWs.
- I love the Totem sound, and am still stunned by how clearly they create that broad soundstage!  It's like magic.
- But...they really struggle to fill the room - and don't seem to handle rock music very well, to my ears.
- Thinking that the Marantz was the issue, since it isn't rated for 4 ohm speakers, I splurged on a used Peachtree nova220se, which drives 350wpc at 4 ohm.  I figured that'd give them the boost they need.  I was wrong.
- With the Peachtree, low-volume listening is a bit fuller & clearer, which is great.  But I think the Arros just aren't made for rocking out - or at least not in a big room.  Perhaps their size & my basic understanding of physics should have made that connection.

So now I'm looking for suggestions on what I should consider, as replacements for the Totems, using the following criteria:
- Wood (maple, cherry) finish
- Small (< 38" tall, < 12" wide) form factor
- Capable of filling a room
- Similar imaging & clarity as the Totems (don't have much experience with other speakers)
- Priced ~$3k

There are some used Totem Forest Signatures I've had my eye on, and I saw that Zu is having a sale on their Soul Supremes ($3,700) which I might be able to make a case for.  But I haven't heard either.

Curious to hear what other speakers I should consider!

Thanks for the help!
ctpdx
I would have put my foot down and politely tell the wife the ZU’s were staying. I find Totem speakers to be quite bright sounding and a small speaker will not fill the room. You went from good speakers to meh speakers.   I also think the Class D Peachtree which I also find bright to not be a good match with the Totem.  
Get the Zus and let your wife choose the finish. Sell the Peachtree and the Totems, go back to the Marantz.
Don't worry about the wpc....its alot of BS...think about something. I have Polk lsim707 they are only 85s so they say you need 300 wpc to drive them....I have a Cayin A50t it's a tube amp it puts out 25 wpc tops....well I can play these speakers loud...Not wall snaking but my living room is 20x30 with cathedral ceiling and deck....Funny isn't it in wonder why ......lol
Ha!  @stereo5 is trying to get me killed!  :-)
Actually, we’d agreed on getting the DWs with a different finish the next time they went on sale - but the November sale got canceled.  Bummer.
I suppose I could wait, as $1,600 for new DWs is much more palatable than $3,700 for the Soul Supremes.  Although the SSs are slightly smaller form factor, and are supposed to sound fantastic…hmm.
And all my research suggested the Peachtree was a great integrated - especially because it’s a hybrid with a tube that can be activated to add some warmth.  Have folks had different experiences with them?  FWIW, my untrained ear doesn’t find its sound unappealing at all.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that all of my source material is via streaming thru a Bluesound Node. Not sure if that changes things.
I assume the Forest Signatures would create a bigger, more room-filling sound than the Arros, but would they be enough to fill a room of my size?  They are beautiful speakers…
Thanks so much for the responses!
@limomangus That’s both interesting and disheartening, as it’s be a lot easier (and cheaper!) if you could just run the numbers and figure out what would work.  Then again, I suppose that’s the fun part of this hobby, eh?  :-).  I’m definitely learning that there are a zillion variables, and that I can’t address all of them at once.  But that’s why it’s helpful to get this kind of input - so thanks!
I think the LSA-20 Signatures or Statements would do what you’re looking for.  Best of luck. 
Once you throw in the WAF you add a dimension which compromises
the final product. Which mistress is the to be the master?

So the real question is "Just how good is your marriage''?

If she is truly a keeper, show her the Sonus Faber line.

The LSAs are the poor man's version of Sonus Faber
and they are a great sounding speaker. Buy used and save
some $. Buy nothing you have not heard.

Good luck my friend!


I tried the nova 300 and returned it, The top end didn't sound right to me. My current favorite 'affordable' speaker is the Dali Oberon 9, and it might be a match for your peachtree, Some outlets have 30 day trials so you can check it out.
Thanks for the input, @soix , @chorus, and @steve59 !
I've seen the LSA speakers on the Underwood site, but haven't heard them - or know anyone who has.  Glad that they work well for you!  I'll have to take a look at their options.
As for Sonus Faber, I've been looking into used options, and they seem to really hold their value, which is a good sign!  That holds true to my wife, as well, who has definitely appreciated in value, over the years.  :-).  Perhaps there will be a match, there...
And Steve59, that Dali is gorgeous!  Love the clean lines on it - and we do have some Danish-inspired MCM living room furniture, so I should look to see if they have some speakers that don't stand quite so tall.  The DWs were (IIRC) ~38", and that was a bit much for our room.  Those Oberons are 48", so that'd be a tough sell.
And perhaps one upside of my low-grade tinnitus (thanks, loud rock shows!) is that I don't really notice the subtle differences between amps - or at least between the Marantz and Peachtree I have.  :-)

Out of curiosity, does anyone have experience with either the Tekton Lore Reference or Mini Lore?  The price point and general favorable reviews of both make for an intriguing option...but I haven't heard Tektons, before.

Thanks again! 
Why not get bigger Totems? Larger drivers, more drivers, high senstivity; will give the same sound signature but more dynamics and higher SPLs.
@motokokusanagi - I have my eye on a pair of used Totem Forest Signatures, but don't know if they'd be able to fill my room, or not.  I have no doubt they'd have the same/better detail and imaging as the Arros, but in those rare times I get to crank my tunes, I want speakers that can really rock - and not sure if the Forests are a "rock out" speaker.  If you've heard the Forests or any of the bigger Totems (within that ~$3k range), I'd love to hear your impression!
Tekton's are great rock speakers IMO. Very dynamic and easy to drive. Of course if your wife does not like the looks of the Zu I'm thinking she will absolutely hate the Tektons. 
I’ve heard Totems at shows and liked them a lot. Haven’t heard the Forest Sigs but to answer your question anyway, they’ll undoubtedly play louder and more comfortably than the Arros. Larger cabinet volume plus 6.5" vs 4.5" midwoofer means higher radiating area and more bass, 1" vs 0.75" tweeter allows higher power handling.

I’d say go for it if you find a good deal, cause the more important thing is the sound quality, which you already know you love with the Arros.

My only reservation is it’s still effectively a 6.5" 2-way speaker; the most popular modern speaker format there is, but prioritising a compact footprint, and ultimately limited by the (extension, excursion, sensitivity) capabilities of a single 6.5" driver.

A step up for room-filling sound is a speaker with bigger/more drivers, like a 2.5-way or 3 way, e.g. Dynaudio Evoke 50, Revel F208 format. From memory, Dynaudio sounds more similar to Totems, though they can be a touch laid back. Revels are further apart from the Dyn/Totem sound; more on the analytical side. I only mention them as examples more of an alternative speaker format to a 6.5" 2-way; that may suit larger rooms.
To the OP:

If you loved Zu ODWs, order a pair of Omen Mk II in the finish your wife will accept. There is a lead time for Omen orders to be fulfilled, but Zu will take orders because it's not a mass build. The ODW getting built in burst mode at scale just doesn't work in this supply chain problem the manufacturing world is dealing with, at a small company like Zu. Omen costs more than DW, but less than Soul Supreme, and it sounds clearly better than ODW. Spurge for a caps upgrade.

Now if you want to go for Soul Supreme, you'll get the greater harmonic pleasures of the Radian supertweeter, and a compact cabinet with a more precise implementation of Zu's Griewe acoustic impedance system. The sale price announced a few days ago seems pretty good.

Now, I have to add that if you are building for both music and home cinema, the Omen Def Supreme is really the speaker for your sonic objectives but may not pass spousal acceptance due to size. The dual-FRD arrangement significantly improves spatial scale for big movie soundtracks, while further improving resolution over a single driver Omen. However it is more expensive and larger than Soul Supreme. I have Definition 4 in one system and Druid 6 in another. I love each. But the cinema time is on the dual-FRD Def4 and that horizontal scale is the closest thing to multi-channel HT with only two speakers, which is great because you really only need two good channels for home cinema.

Anyway, you don't know when you're getting another chance to order ODW, but the next three up the chain can be ordered now.

Phil
@mofojo - thanks for the Tekton recommendation!  The Mini & Reference Lore models look like they might get wife approval, especially since you can have them custom painted.  And they're both smaller than the Zu DWs.

@motokokusanagi - wow, I hadn't looked at the Dynaudios, before - they're beautiful!  The Evoke 30s are more the size that I'm looking for; I'm going to see if there are any nearby that I could demo.

@213cobra - I feel so dumb for being so focused on the DWs that I forgot the Omens!  They are definitely a better price point, and reading up on them it seems like Zu can even do a customized anodized driver ring, which might actually alleviate one of my wife's biggest complaints (she wasn't as enamored of the aluminum ring as I was...).  Definitely an option to explore, as I really did love the sound of the DWs.

My local shop is an authorized KEF dealer, and they recommended I try out the R5s.  I showed my wife a picture and, surprisingly, she thought they looked "ok" (high praise!).  Anyone have any experience with those KEFs?  

Again, thank you all for these responses!  Your informed input is very much appreciated!
Imaging and soundstage is really good on the entire Kef R series. I find they lack bass. A good sub or two is almost required. 
KEFs don’t sound warm, IMO, though a lot of people like them for other reasons. Audition as many things as you can. Use the Arros as a benchmark. Ideally, take your amp along with you for demos, as pairing is a big factor.
Just to close this out (at least for the near term!), we had a surprise contender enter the ring, this week:  the KLH Model Fives.  A friend had sent a link to a review of them, and my wife actually thought their retro look would fit great in our MCM-style living room.  I read / watched reviews, and there was almost universal acclaim for them...even though most cited that they were not "audiophile" speakers, but more just musical, fun speakers.
Anyway, I decided to let my wife call this particular shot (since it's one that I'm pretty jazzed about, too) and see if I can get her a bit more hooked on this audio odyssey I've been on.  Fingers crossed!
Given how popular they are, there's a big backorder, so I should get a set by the end of November.  Here's hoping they live up to the hype!
Thanks again for all of the insight.  I definitely have a great list to consider for the NEXT upgrade!