Neil Young calls out Tidal

Taking vitamin D vitamin c and zinc etc is not a great hard task... Almost all people know their medical history in rich country anyway... By the way when on TV Fauci did ever recommend people to take simple preventive measure like the one i just listed ? asked yourself why?

1) some people do not go to doctors - they obviously don’t care about their health, but their carelessness can hurt others by causing health care shortages 2) You don’t need a treatment if you are not sick

Yes it is a huge amount but not unlike some flu of the past, this does not justify the shutdown of economy by the measure taken worlwide in rich countries especially ..

.3)1% is a huge amount of people

You are right, you NEVER say that and this indicate some ignorance level because a majority of the deaths of covid from people who are not too old and with no  co morbidities were caused by the ABSENCE of preventive treatment, i dont mean a treatment who will prevent the virus here but a treatment which will prevent the worst outcome of effects and because it is SCIENTIFICALLY established i dont even need to give a link if you dont know that  already, you know nothing...

4) Did I say anything about shutting down economies, and who says the people who didn’t want to get vaxxed would have sought out your preventive treatments or taken vitamin c

All the sientists i spoke about in this post of mine are AGAINST mass vaccination enforced on all people... They recommend ONLY target vaccinations for reason too numerous to list here...The only talking heads are disciple of Fauci on TV set...If you dont know the name of those scientists i spoke about it is because the like of Neil Young and thanks to corporation they are CENSORED and banned from ANY official media outlet... You dont live in a democracy in America, if you dont know that you are in a pre-china oligarchy dictatorship you are naive...

5) I was referring to individual personal physicians telling their patients who are not at risk of an adverse reaction to not get vaccinated quacks, not these others you list as scientists. There is a difference between talking heads and scientists and personal physicians who know someone’s personal history and have a vested interest in their health

Saying that to justify an insane politic consequence where you may loose your job and go on the street because of the big losses of jobs in the last 2 years is to say the least egoistical view...

7) they are not mandated - you can go work somewhere else - you can’t do that in places like China.

Thiis is true generally but no more when we apply artificial pressure on the virus normal population dynamic by UNCESSARY MASS VACCINATIONS instead od targetted vaccination ... It is all explained by Gert Van Den Bossche read him...It is too complicated to be put here call that epidemiology 101 by an ex Bill gates top expert...

Lastly - mutations seem to be less and less virulent -

The medical professionals I have asked are of the opinion that over time this is most likely to play out like the flu. Periodic vaccinations to address. I get flu shot every year. One year I did not. Got the flu and was laid up for days. Very healthy otherwise, knock on wood. But I am 62 and none of us are getting younger.  Live and learn and keep an open mind.  Nothing stays the same indefinitely.  That’s the best you can do. 

@mahgister - 1) some people do not go to doctors - they obviously don't care about their health, but their carelessness can hurt others by causing health care shortages 2) You don't need a treatment if you are not sick 3)1% is a huge amount of people 4) Did I say anything about shutting down economies, and who says the people who didn't want to get vaxxed would have sought out your preventive treatments or taken vitamin c 5) I was referring to individual personal physicians telling their patients who are not at risk of an adverse reaction to not get vaccinated quacks, not these others you list as scientists. There is a difference between talking heads and scientists and personal physicians who know someone's personal history and have a vested interest in their health 7) they are not mandated - you can go work somewhere else - you can't do that in places like China.

Lastly - mutations seem to be less and less virulent - by not causing as many symptoms, carriers don't isolate and spread it more easily. If they were isolating, it wouldn't spread as fast. That is the theory, and hopefully it will play out by just being a component of the annual flu vaccine, which is not a mandate. The current vaccine is not mandated, there is no punishment for not taking it, just a potential loss of privileges.

Yes @kitechaser is totally absorbed and worried about himself. Stop changing the subject!  Let the martyr speak. 

@ghasley your people don't have a monopoly on human suffering or extermination camps. So please miss me with your concern trolling

The least intelligent 50% are never the brightest.  You can bank on that!

The democrat in US and the republican half of them are complete idiots....Trump or Biden supporters are quacks and nuts at best...

In canada our number of idiots and sleepwalkers seems to be around 30 % who are with Trudeau at best...We dont own guns but we own trucks...

When it stops I stop.  Guaranteed. 

First point : it is easy to know if you have risks or not because of your medical history then deciding to vaccinate all because you say we dont know our own risk is ridiculous...

 

Second point: there exist many low cost treatment that where CRIMINALLY banned for those who dont need to be vaccinated..

 

Third point: the mortality rate is slightly around one %...

 

Four point: The sane epidemiological politic is evident even for someone with a brain and without medical experience... Instead of shutting down economies and killing people, and erasing freedom, the sane politic was treatment with very efficient low cost drug that already exist but were criminally BANNED... And vaccination of at risk people ONLY...
If they are unvaccinated patient in the hospitals it is also because all preventive treatment again severe consequences of the virus were BANNED... Think about that...
For example it is SCIETIFICALLY proved that all people gravely ill are vitamin D deficient...And anyway ask israely hospitals about vaccines efficiency...the vaccines dont make a great difference at all...

 

Five point : The risk of "negatives outcome from covid exceed the risk of the vaccines" is completely false... NOBODY knows the long term effect of the vaccine on all the population in the long term... And autopsies of people dead with vaccines are VERY ALARMING... But nothing of this is in the TV set ... Close you TV... And dont forgot the deaths associated with the insane shutdown of economies...It is proven that is it equal to covid deaths worlwide guess why? 

 

Six point : I dont listen Joe Rogan but his guests... i listened his 2 guests for 6 hours which are top scientist who spoke for Thousand of other doctors, the quack doctor here is Dr Fauci my friend...and i dont know but calling quack doctors these one :
Calling Nobel Prize winer of medecine Luc Montagnier a quack?
Calling Michael Yeadon Vice president of Pfizer top research scientist a quack ?
Calling Robert Malone the only one who own first patent on mRna vaccines a quack?
Calling Dr McCullough one of the greated specialist of covid tretment and one of the greatest cardiologistby citationsin the world a quack?
Calling Gert Van den Bossche who worked for Bill Gates one of his top scientist on vaccines a quack?

Before calling someone a quack INFORM YOURSELF...
The list of serious experts on my side is too long to be put here... Wo is the quack Fauci the liar or them ?

 

Seven point: how hypocrital and egoistical  to say that vaccines are not enforced but mandate and we are free...How about loosing his job and salary if you are in institution who mandate them ?

 Point Eight : This insane mass vaccination of all people also exert on the virus population a force that make it mutate more rapidly and with more risk to create very bad mutations... But this matter is too complex for people who do not understand even simple fact...

 

last point in the fever of a discussion we exhange hot words but i want to say that i do no think ill about you and i tank you for your wishes... I am passionate but i love everybody...

@mahgister - glad you are feeling OK. The problem with your logic is that many people are not aware they have comorbidity. Also, this affects overweight people disproportionately, something the media should be emphasizing (and living a healthier lifestyle), but somehow that is politically incorrect and I am sure some of these people do not think of themselves as overweight. I wouldn’t say the number of people badly affected is very small. It is in the millions. Very few of those are vaccinated, almost all of them have comorbidity. The hospitals (I spoke with a doctor the other day) are overwhelmed by unvaccinated patients because of omicron. Even though it is less virulent, the sheer number of people that caught it make even a very small number of those people needing significant medical attention too high for hospitals to handle their normal business. I am not saying not to treat the unvaccinated, but to give other patients that were vaccinated or in there for other urgent problems priority. The risk of negative outcomes for covid dwarfs the risk of the vaccine. It should be discussed with the patient’s personal doctor. They will not mandate (at least mine wouldn’t ever), they will recommend a course of action (I take my doctor’s advice and many times he asks me what I think and we decide together). If they think you will have no adverse reaction, I don’t envision any doctor except for quacks and complete outliers from the medical profession not recommending the vaccine. I am not talking about listening to corrupt politicians, government agencies or Joe Rogan or one of his guests (like Aaron Rogers did and then lied about it), YOUR DOCTOR. Report this

@kitechaser 

 

At what point do they start loading the unvaccinated onto trains?

 

For a while there, the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike were unfortunately being placed into temporary morgues, however, as a member of the tribe, your "trains" example is a dog whistle and offensive.

Rasmussen poll  

 

59% of Democrats support government forcing Americans to remain confined in their homes if they refuse the COVID vaccine

78% of Democrats support President Biden’s vaccine mandate for businesses with more than 100 employees

55% of Democrats support fining Americans who don’t get the jab

48% of Democrats say the government should fine or imprison Americans who publicly question the efficacy of COVID vaccines

47% of Democrats support the government tracking the unvaccinated to ensure they are quarantined or socially distant

More than one-quarter of Democrats say parents should lose custody of their children if they refuse the COVID vaccine

 

At what point do they start loading the unvaccinated onto trains?

@kitechaser you have crossed the race line.

@mapman You are helping to keep this threads direction alive and I think you rather enjoy it.

You are the Anti MC.

 

Drama Queens….go figure!

 

@kitechaser - Why would anybody change the word 'unvaccinated' for the word 'Black'? People don't choose their ethnicity; they choose whether to get vaccinated or not.

Mandates are not enforced. You can choose not to enjoy a privilege that requires proof of vaccination, and you can not enter a place that mandates masks.

Nothing is over as long mandates are still enforced. 

@sokogear + 1 (mostly)

It should be discussed with the patient’s personal doctor.

Bingo! Discussion over.

 

For best results, always consult with experts, not random wannabe’s on the internet.

If your hifi does not sound good, you might find some useful info here if you take the time to synthesis it properly.  That too requires expertise.   Everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has a few.

 

 

 

 

@mahgister  - glad you are feeling OK. The problem with your logic is that many people are not aware they have comorbidity. Also, this affects overweight people disproportionately, something the media should be emphasizing (and living a healthier lifestyle), but somehow that is politically incorrect and I am sure some of these people do not think of themselves as overweight.

I wouldn't say the number of people badly affected is very small. It is in the millions. Very few of those are vaccinated, almost all of them have comorbidity. The hospitals (I spoke with a doctor the other day) are overwhelmed by unvaccinated patients because of omicron. Even though it is less virulent, the sheer number of people that caught it make even a very small number of those people needing significant medical attention too high for hospitals to handle their normal business.

I am not saying not to treat the unvaccinated, but to give other patients that were vaccinated or in there for other urgent problems priority. 

The risk of negative outcomes for covid dwarfs the risk of the vaccine. It should be discussed with the patient's personal doctor. They will not mandate (at least mine wouldn't ever), they will recommend a course of action (I take my doctor's advice and many times he asks me what I think and we decide together). If they think you will have no adverse reaction, I don't envision any doctor except for quacks and complete outliers from the medical profession not recommending the vaccine. I am not talking about listening to corrupt politicians, government agencies or Joe Rogan or one of his guests (like Aaron Rogers did and then lied about it), YOUR DOCTOR.

@mahgister wow. I have been hearing ambulances this year around my house non stop. All hours of the night.

I even said this to all my friends and family, never experienced anything like this.

All since the beginning of last year.

 

 

i feel ok...

It is the second time i had covid...I caught it one years ago already...it last 2 or 3 days...Fever and sore throat, extreme fatigue this first time...

It is not the regular flu at all...It is more dangerous yes...

But the number of people very badly affected is very small though... Mostly older one with co-morbidities...

I was ill for 2 days now this second time, and the symptoms already regressed this morning... I am 70 years old...vitamin c, vitamin d, curcuma, zinc+green tea, nigella sativa+ honey...It work read about it...it is less bad than the first time i caught it...But the duration is the same...

Vaccination MUST be targetting very old people or people with co-morbities or people with no great immune defense THATS ALL... Renouncing freedom for UNSCIENTIFIC MASS VACCINATION  is dumber than dumb....Censoring Joe Rogan because he interviewd two very great scientists is the door open to dictatorship by big corporations... Neil Young is senile...

Thanks for your concern....

i am not moved by ideals here so much if i am completely sincere, i am flabbergasted by stupidity who is ready to renounce freedom and welcome censorship and tracking of people...

I reacted to dumbness first and second to fear control system put in place by CORPORATIONS and governments .....

Trudeau is dumber than Biden who is already a bureaucrat idiot...

Freedom is oxigen we cannot bargain it.....

The most inhumane and stupid claim was made here: those unvaxx must be not accepted in hospital, then why treating smoker who smoke? why making chirurgy on drunk driver?

Dumber than dumb...

mahgister, I fear that you are so zealously pursuing your ideals that you are perhaps neglecting to let your body, mind and soul take sufficient rest to battle this terrible curse..

mahgister, I fear that you are so zealously pursuing your ideals that you are perhaps neglecting to let your body, mind and soul take sufficient rest to battle this terrible curse..

Is the internal report of the negative effects of the vaccines in the US army a fact explained by political flag name calling ?  Save for idiots:

 

 

I am a canadian than no MAGA flag in my yard...

 

Anyway only chicken brain in front of a complex situation rise a political binary flag to characterise ANYTHING, and especially a move against epidemiological elementary science and democracy and freedom of speech...I dont hope you will understand that....

The world is not divided between maga and others flag, awake ....

The "Pro MASSIVE vaccination of ALL people at all cost" are so dumb they repeat the same motto they hear by their TV set...We are us criminals and we must not be admitted in hospital and the disease is here because of us...So dumb and inhumane i cannot believe intelligent people repeat that...

Not one in this thread contradicted my arguments....

Numbers are easy to contradict in a propaganda era, they are falsified by corporations, then i cited NO NUMBERS but arguments not so easy to disbelieve....

And anyway it is very easy to spot when someone is unable to think by himself, brain mussels ask for minimal exercise many people never did... It appear evident in complex situation where they are like a sheeps herd easy to maneuver....This is the situation in the north America...

 

See what I mean. The MAGA are spouting their political beliefs on a stupid hifi forum. Fin

But they certainly will for the other speakers that do not have any cables

you objectivists are so sure of yourselves..

@scottscottsdale + 1

 

No @holmz my battle cry song would be The Harder They Come.

I’ll read the Cliff notes to see what’s it says.

 

Rather be a freeman in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave.

Puppets and slaves may not have had a lot of choices.
I am not sure you are really free, unless we assume that what you are thinking are your own actual thoughts?

 

You should work on your music selection dude. But then again you use lamp cord for speaker cables.

Why would I worry about my cables?
The music sounds just fine.
The fact that many people don’t even have the speakers in the right place, but stress over cables, is more of a problem.

So I am not at all stressed about the cables, but I thought I should take a picture of them until the new ones arrive, mainly just for $hits-n-goggles.

I am not going to be embarrassed to want to listen to things while I am awaiting new cable, or even am I sure whether new cables will make any difference at all.
(But they certainly will for the other speakers that do not have any cables.)

The parallels of woke virtue signally with audiophile cable, fuse, and power cord signalling is astounding.

Getting the TT parts in, and the thing refurbished, is way more important than my speaker cords.

Hey look, from just last week: John’ Hopkins Study Concludes that Covid Lockdowns had "had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality......yet researchers did find that lockdown orders caused enormous economic and social costs wherever they were implemented. The authors concluded that lockdown policies are ’ill-founded,’ and suggested they be rejected in future pandemics."

It’s almost as if you can get past all their virtue signalling, the chattering class is almost never right when you expand your horizon past the latest news cycle. Is it any wonder why people are beginning to see right through their nonsense......

 

 

CDC study of over 150,000 subjects buried by media from last Friday - Prior Covid infection more protective than vaccination: "People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, suggesting that natural immunity was a more potent shield than vaccines against that variant, California and New York health officials reported on Wednesday." I would note that physicians were banned and people were fired for saying this exact same thing just a month ago. Yet, the data in this report goes back to May 2021.....Strange that we’re just hearing it now.....

 

 

 

@scottscottsdale no not the case at all. People are sick of the government overreach. And they are sick of tyrants.

I am an independent thinker and did not vote for Trump or Biden.

You should go back to bed slick.

I have been a life long Democrat, but will never vote for a D again 🙏🙏

My friends and my family are right there with me also

Enough is enough

 

See what I mean.  The MAGA are spouting their political beliefs on a stupid hifi forum.   Fin

Does it surprise anyone that the people who want to force vaccinate people, now don’t want to hear the dumb peasants complain about it?

See how easy it is

Destroy people’s lives

Then call them cry babies when they speak out

Ctrl alt del

 

@scottscottsdale Guess that’s what you do, canceling it. 

i dont hope anyone can cure the brain of someone calling for censorship and calling falsely some here anti vaccines when it is FALSE...

I am PRO vaccine ONLY for at risk people, AGAINST mass forced vaccinations, for the reasons i wrote about above, but i will not wait for your brain to figure out why....

Chicken brain also can only figure out binary choices ....

Sorry but you piss me off...

But welcome here i dont want to censor stupidity....guess why?

 

I truly hope a moderator deletes this thread. It has gone into wierd anti vaccine pro Covid territory.

@danager - probably from the 50% of his music rights he sold to hipgnosis a little over a year ago 😉

I truly hope a moderator deletes this thread.  It has gone into wierd anti vaccine pro Covid territory. 

@mahgister Be strong, get well.

@mahgister 👍

Thanks very much mapman...

You are a friend and i apologize for my rant but between friend we may speak our mind...

 i am ok....

thanks for your heartfelt wishes....

 

Well @mahgister all I can say to you at the moment is best wishes for a speedy recovery.

It is the most important crisis since the world war and some who speak about it, because what is at stake is freedom itself, are called " baby crying"...

I had covid right now and spoke to a young nurse and she said to me , that non vaccinated people can transmit the disease even after being cured of it...BELIEVE IT OR NOT.....

 

Think about that?

 

Why do you think she spoke blatent absurdity seriously?

 

Because she has been brainwashed...BY FEAR and control....

 

Many people in America in PARTICULAR are brainwashed... Why?

Because their news media outlet is abyssally stupid...

And they take their information there...

it take me 6 months of reading non stop to figure that out....Then i cannot hope the regular dude here to undertand anything like this nurse...

 

 

It is like audio, it take me time to figure out why buying gear upgrade without end is so stupid when we ignore acoustic...

A problem cannot be understood without time et thinking...

And some here in the middle of the geatest crisis ever repeat common place stupidities...

It is an audio forum yes, but we are among "friends" and we can speak about the stupid Neil Young assault on liberty and appeal to censorship...

Are we stupid?

He sing so well he must be right?

I am not a "crying baby" i am a mature man angry like all Canada right now with the greatest PACIFIC manifestation EVER in the world ?

And this Neil Young thread i must speak about his talent right now?

Freedom to be treated by a free doctor in a free country matter most than the Neil Young music...

 

 

 

Wake the F up and smell the coffee or Covfefe for you collusion al folks.

Starts in Canada and is spreading like fire.

But stay in your basement. Will be MD soon enough....

Baba Yaga goodnight don’t let the truckers bite.

 

Do you live in NJ? I don’t. Therefore it is none of our business.  See how that works?

I am out on this one.

Better put you mask on when you take the trash out.

Oh how about NJ dumping the mask mandate for kids.

Oh the Gov is a democrat too.

 

So you are the Anti Millercarbon.

LOL

Yes they are not going to take it rather beat on everyone else instead of whoever it is that is out to get them. 

No @holmz my battle cry song would be The Harder They Come.

Rather be a freeman in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave.

You should work on your music selection dude. But then again you use lamp cord for speaker cables.