VPI Scout vs VPI Classic

What sort of sonic differences can I expect between a VPI Scout with JMW9 tonearm and upgraded 300 RPM motor versus a VPI Classic? I really like the idea of having a stand alone motor versus the plinth mounted motor of the Classic but is that a moot point when comparing the sonics between the two? I've also found the clamping method to the acrylic platter with my Scout to ever so slightly reduce dynamics. Is the aluminum platter better in that regard? Are further tweaks possible with the Scout or is the Classic just in a different league regardless of Scout tweaks? By the way my cartridge is a Dynavector DV20X L and phono pre is a Dynavector P75 MK II using phono enhance. Thanks in advance for all responses.
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I auditioned the VPI Scout and the VPI Classic tables (among others) and although I decided to go in a different direction, the VPI Classic is a very good table and as Eric says far outperfrms the VPI Scout on most any sonic attribute. Better bass foundation. More resolved midrange. More 3D soundstage and better image density. Much more dynamic and better PRAT. Overall more musically involving. The VPI Scout sounds almost dark and slow in comparison to the Classic. If money is not an issue, I would definitely go with the Classic.
I'm another who has gone from Scout to Classic. I agree with the others. The Classic wins.
The improvement from Scout to Classic not withstanding, I'm of the opinion that you would hear a greater improvement by upgrading to a better phono stage than you would hear between the tables. I still own a Scout Signature, with Dynavector XX2 MKII, and at one time had the Dyna P-75 MKII phono stage, which was completely underwhelming. I now use a modded Simaudio Moon LP 5.3, with outboard power supply. This combo sounds superb, and perhaps with the Classic, would sound even better, but, IMHO, the Dyna phono pre is holding you back more than the difference in turntables. For what it's worth.

Best of luck,
"The VPI Scout sounds almost dark and slow"

Funny how those of us who said that same thing at the time of the Scout's release were pilloried. I have not heard the Classic so I am not offering an opinion, but I am a little shocked at the change of awareness? A VPI with a better delivery of PRaT is a good thing though.

Thanks everyone for your comments. When I clamp a record down to my Scout via the VPI clamp and rubber washer I feel focus is pretty good but it seems some of the dynamics are reduced in the process, and the sound seems smaller. I can see where you would say "dark and slow". I don't know if I'm reacting to the acrylic platter or if it's just "sum of the parts" of the TT. With all this said I still very much enjoy listening to this table.

A couple of tweaks that have definitely helped with the PRaT thing was to further isolate the motor on a 3/4" steel slab (6" x 6") and a maple shelf for the TT both sitting in a 4" thick sand box. Doing this completely isolates the motor from the TT, well except for the belt and the sand. That has also helped with darker backgrounds as well. The other tweak was to make a home made record mat using the stuff used for lining the drawers in tool boxes. The waffle textured looking stuff you can get at Lowe's in the tool department. I swear it looks just like the mat on some Well Tempered tables and that has made the biggest change yet. Much more energetic and more spacious sounding but at the same time ticks and pops are a little more pronounced but definitely worth the tradeoff. Despite the improvements beyond a stock Scout with these little tweaks I can't help but think I'm still only halfway at best to a Classic in terms of sound quality.

Islandmandan, I hadn't really considered changing either the cartridge or phono pre as I was thinking there was a pretty good synergy with the 20X and the P75 MK II in phono enhance mode. Definitely better than the standard MC setting, but worth considering. Thanks.
I thought my Scout improved immensely when I began using it in conjunction with a Ginkgo Cloud. That really made it much more dynamic. I still enjoy the Scout sound!
I can see where you would say "dark and slow".

Arch2...I am simply conveying what I heard when I auditioned the 2 tables. So please take the comment in the context of a comparison between the two tables and how I perceived them relative to one another. In any case, good luck with your search and let us know how you make out. I know that Dan (Islandmandan) has tweaked his Scout (apart from the upgraded cartridge and phono stage) and seems to have squeezed a lot of performance out of it. If you do a search in the forums on the Scout you will see many comments by Dan describing the tweaks. I came across them when I was doing my research on tables. You may want to reach out to him for specific recommendations that may very well take the performance of your Scout up another couple of notches. Good luck.
Arch2: I moved up to the Classic after enjoying my Scout for a little over two years. It’s arguably one of the best, if not best analogue buys in it’s price range. I agree with the positive comments in the other posts. The VPI Classic is a formidable turntable. IMO it’s better than some others I’ve heard costing twice as much. The aluminum platter improves dynamics. Some say it sounds more alive without the ring, but that hasn’t been my experience. I prefer the sound with the aluminum/steel combination to that of the acrylic platter.  Like you, I preferred having an outboard motor, but Harry Weisfeld has done an incredible job keeping motor noise away from the cartridge with the Classic.  The 10.5 tonearm with the stainless armtube also brings more stability and less distortion. Overall, the 65 lb. Classic makes for a more stable and quiet setup.

I'm using a DV XX2 MKII cart. with a K&K Audio maxxed out phono stage (same as the Art Audio Vinyl Reference) and couldn't be more pleased. It's a big jump up from the DV 20XL which I also have used. I prefer the DV XX2 to my Zu/Denon 103R that sounded very good on the Scout.  I'm using the SDS, stainless clamp and VPI Periphery ring. Some say it’s difficult to tell any difference running the Classic with the SDS but IMO the sound is quieter and more open than without it, especially on records that are “dished” or “bowled”. In my system the Classic has a robust and impactful bass that sounds musical and natural, (one of its obvious strengths- no one-note bass here), excellent transparency and dynamics, dimensional soundstage, and a tonal balance and density that just sounds right.  The scale of the sound is larger than with the Scout and especially convincing when playing orchestral music.
You seem to have tweaked your Scout successfully. But, I agree with Islandmandan, you’ll get even better results with a better cartridge than the DV 20XL and with a better phono stage. Not too long after I bought the Scout, I moved up to my current phono stage. It made a huge difference in the sound.  While tweaking the Scout, a definite improvement came after I replaced the stock cone feet 4 Aurios MIBs that supported the Scout while resting on an Arcici Airhead platform.  I also upgraded the motor, added the VPI SDS, VPI stainless clamp and TTWeights periphery ring. All of these upgrades together took the Scout to level of performance I considered to be near its limits. But, in hindsight, I wouldn’t recommend this path since it’s not cost effective. IMO it’s I recommend selling the Scout and going right to the Classic. It’s a better turntable than the Scout and with the right cartridge and phono stage it could be your last one.

Besides moving up to a better phono stage, I suggest you take a good look at the new VPI Zephyr. I’ve heard the Soundsmith Sussurro ($5k) in a system I know well that belongs to a friend. When I walked into his listening room I could tell the sound had changed. What I heard was so impressive in all musically meaningful ways it had me wondering what had happened. At first I thought it was some modification to the phono stage, but it was the Sussurro. My friend had been using a Benz LP cartridge. By comparison, the Sussurro was impressive in every way important to convey the information embedded in the grooves and the emotion in the music. It’s the best cartridge I’ve ever heard. I spoke with Peter Ledermann of Soundsmith who designed the Sussurro and Zephyr MI. He provided a compelling explanation of how he designed the Zephyr especially for the VPI unipivot arm on the Classic. Also, he described the ‘trickle down’ technology and benefits he built into the Zephyr that are derived from the Sussurro. As much as I like the DV XX2 Mk II, if the Zephyr is as good as I’m led to believe, I need to hear one in my system.

Good luck and enjoy the music!
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