VPI Scout vs VPI Classic


What sort of sonic differences can I expect between a VPI Scout with JMW9 tonearm and upgraded 300 RPM motor versus a VPI Classic? I really like the idea of having a stand alone motor versus the plinth mounted motor of the Classic but is that a moot point when comparing the sonics between the two? I've also found the clamping method to the acrylic platter with my Scout to ever so slightly reduce dynamics. Is the aluminum platter better in that regard? Are further tweaks possible with the Scout or is the Classic just in a different league regardless of Scout tweaks? By the way my cartridge is a Dynavector DV20X L and phono pre is a Dynavector P75 MK II using phono enhance. Thanks in advance for all responses.
arch2
I can see where you would say "dark and slow".

Arch2...I am simply conveying what I heard when I auditioned the 2 tables. So please take the comment in the context of a comparison between the two tables and how I perceived them relative to one another. In any case, good luck with your search and let us know how you make out. I know that Dan (Islandmandan) has tweaked his Scout (apart from the upgraded cartridge and phono stage) and seems to have squeezed a lot of performance out of it. If you do a search in the forums on the Scout you will see many comments by Dan describing the tweaks. I came across them when I was doing my research on tables. You may want to reach out to him for specific recommendations that may very well take the performance of your Scout up another couple of notches. Good luck.
Arch2: I moved up to the Classic after enjoying my Scout for a little over two years. It’s arguably one of the best, if not best analogue buys in it’s price range. I agree with the positive comments in the other posts. The VPI Classic is a formidable turntable. IMO it’s better than some others I’ve heard costing twice as much. The aluminum platter improves dynamics. Some say it sounds more alive without the ring, but that hasn’t been my experience. I prefer the sound with the aluminum/steel combination to that of the acrylic platter.  Like you, I preferred having an outboard motor, but Harry Weisfeld has done an incredible job keeping motor noise away from the cartridge with the Classic.  The 10.5 tonearm with the stainless armtube also brings more stability and less distortion. Overall, the 65 lb. Classic makes for a more stable and quiet setup.

I'm using a DV XX2 MKII cart. with a K&K Audio maxxed out phono stage (same as the Art Audio Vinyl Reference) and couldn't be more pleased. It's a big jump up from the DV 20XL which I also have used. I prefer the DV XX2 to my Zu/Denon 103R that sounded very good on the Scout.  I'm using the SDS, stainless clamp and VPI Periphery ring. Some say it’s difficult to tell any difference running the Classic with the SDS but IMO the sound is quieter and more open than without it, especially on records that are “dished” or “bowled”. In my system the Classic has a robust and impactful bass that sounds musical and natural, (one of its obvious strengths- no one-note bass here), excellent transparency and dynamics, dimensional soundstage, and a tonal balance and density that just sounds right.  The scale of the sound is larger than with the Scout and especially convincing when playing orchestral music.
 
You seem to have tweaked your Scout successfully. But, I agree with Islandmandan, you’ll get even better results with a better cartridge than the DV 20XL and with a better phono stage. Not too long after I bought the Scout, I moved up to my current phono stage. It made a huge difference in the sound.  While tweaking the Scout, a definite improvement came after I replaced the stock cone feet 4 Aurios MIBs that supported the Scout while resting on an Arcici Airhead platform.  I also upgraded the motor, added the VPI SDS, VPI stainless clamp and TTWeights periphery ring. All of these upgrades together took the Scout to level of performance I considered to be near its limits. But, in hindsight, I wouldn’t recommend this path since it’s not cost effective. IMO it’s I recommend selling the Scout and going right to the Classic. It’s a better turntable than the Scout and with the right cartridge and phono stage it could be your last one.

Besides moving up to a better phono stage, I suggest you take a good look at the new VPI Zephyr. I’ve heard the Soundsmith Sussurro ($5k) in a system I know well that belongs to a friend. When I walked into his listening room I could tell the sound had changed. What I heard was so impressive in all musically meaningful ways it had me wondering what had happened. At first I thought it was some modification to the phono stage, but it was the Sussurro. My friend had been using a Benz LP cartridge. By comparison, the Sussurro was impressive in every way important to convey the information embedded in the grooves and the emotion in the music. It’s the best cartridge I’ve ever heard. I spoke with Peter Ledermann of Soundsmith who designed the Sussurro and Zephyr MI. He provided a compelling explanation of how he designed the Zephyr especially for the VPI unipivot arm on the Classic. Also, he described the ‘trickle down’ technology and benefits he built into the Zephyr that are derived from the Sussurro. As much as I like the DV XX2 Mk II, if the Zephyr is as good as I’m led to believe, I need to hear one in my system.

Good luck and enjoy the music!
Anyone using the VPI minifeet.....I got rid of them in favor of something called BearClaws (or paws, I fogot). Anyway, I thought the sound of my VPI Superscoutmaster was very impressive until I did the change. The difference is stunning. Much more open, prat, air, bass, etc., etc., etc. Check them out at Vermontaudio.com. I'm not part of the company...just very impressed at what these things did to my table. They are VERY heavy, well made brass feet that really do great things. Highly recommended.