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Too bad no measurements in the soundstage review.
As I remember it was the A3 that was put up against some Revel speakers and didn't fare as well both in measured performance or blind listening tests.
Also interesting is the fact such an incredibly hotly anticipated Magico product like the A3 never got a stereophile review.
I asked at stereophile why was so and got hints that something behind-the-scenes was making it a no-go.
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I listen to the Revel many times, impressive at first, fatiguing shortly after, and hardly listenable on chamber music (I am a professional musician - violins are an instrument too ;)). |
Does YG lack in bass? I notice the 2.2 configs only have 1x 10 inch driver?
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I bought a pair of Carmels used for a very good price. Far less than the original sale price . A very reasonable way to acquire such a speaker . The 1st Gen. Carmels play well with tubes , I run mine on 30 Watt SET Amps and a DHT Preamp !
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My Carmels have great tight fast bass ... being a sealed design it’s not big as a ported design would have , but it is very good quality , textured and controlled. Goes to 35 hz easily . |
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When does a $110,000 speaker pair actually cost at least $160,000 or more?When you incorporate the necessary high end preamp and amplifier(s) to drive the speakers to deliver their highest possible sonic performance.
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The YGs are fantastic paired with the right gear ... I tried no less than 6 preamps - each time getting a bit closer to what I wanted. Simply put the YGs show you what’s behind them .., if it’s bright my guess is up stream a piece of gear is causing it . My YG Carmel 1s are much easier to drive than my Magicos were and cost a good chunk more than the S1s when new., Find used ones! the gear to drive the YGs was less expensive as the speakers are easier to drive than their sensitivity rating would indicate. To be clear that does not mean all gear will sound good on the YGs . Also Carmels are not 100k either , closer to 18k, only about 82k difference. I will tell you the YGs beat out Magico S1, Nola KOs , Revel Ultima Gems, and my old altec 612 coaxial recording monitors., the Altecs held there own , but have a classic vibe . YG Acoustics Carmel’s do a great job of getting the music right . I can’t speak to the rest of the line as I have not heard any other offerings first hand . However , if they are like the Carmels ... they will make great music , just set you back some dollars .
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That is simply not true; the impedance (and efficency) is rather similar. I have listened to the Carmel and the S1, the S1 is much better in all aspect, and it is cheaper. It goes lower, it plays louder, and it was sweeter with more extension on the top. I ultimately bought the A3, for the extra haft on the bottom. I think the A5 will put an end to any doubt, its in a different league all together. I am saving ;)
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I've heard the S1 Mk II and while they had some good attributes, they were a very curious speaker.
Small footprint, low efficiency, requiring a lot of space to sound balanced, and with extra resonance in the lower female voice / mid to lower piano that always distracted me, but at the same time rather cool.
To me they are a salon kind of speaker, best for small intimate spaces, at low to middle volume but the amount of power they need and space makes them odd to fit. On the other hand, what a great stereo image no matter where you are.
Sadly, I have not listened to the Carmel. If we are talking 2 way speakers with amazing parts, I point you all to Fritz.
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Did not hear any resonance, it may very well be the room you were in.
Small 2-ways, that will go low, can’t be efficient. As far as Fritz, I will only say that I am done with paper cones and silk domes. Once you move away from that lack of transparency, there is no going back. |
The room I was in was the Magico demo room. I find the S1s to be probably among the worst value of the Magico line, and they sound chesty, congested.
Fritz uses Scanspeak Revelators composite drivers (among others) and to my ears and that of many others, the Scanspeak Revelator mid-woofers are among the best in the world. YG, Wilson, Gamut and others agree.
The cut paper drivers are much more than merely paper drivers.
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Not my experience, and cut paper is still paper (only cut ;)). Similar drivers on the Wilson models, not my cup of tee (and in an MDF box, no thanks). I am a recording artist; I need to hear what I am doing, not to beautify (mask) everything. Sorry, we will have to agree to disagree. |
You don’t have to like paper drivers, or Scanspeak drivers, but calling a composite a paper driver does them a disservice. They are lightweight, strong, resonance free and low distortion, not to mention when properly used, very flat.
Again, personal taste is what this hobby is about, so I'll not attempt to insist like the sound. :)
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Please don't put words in my mouth, I do not like
paper drivers. Composite can mean many things, CF sandwich cones, like the Magico cones, are also a composite. |
I’m not putting words into your mouth. I’m saying that the ScanSpeak Revelator mid-woofer cones are paper and resin composites, as opposed to simple paper. They deserve a little more than being called merely paper cone drivers.
You are still free not to like them. You are free to call them paper and I am free to point out that this undersells the construction and performance a great deal.
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Anyone compare modern YGs to Magico M series?
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