Lamm ML1 question

Deano: I certainly did not mean to sound as aggressive as my post came off. I just re-read it and I was a tad too strong. :(

Andy has a great reputation and does the work necessary to choose what is worth owning. He is very expensive, but most can rest at ease when purchasing from him. I just think that those manufacturers who know the tubes well enough, know what current production tubes will excel. Even more so than most of the NOS tubes available.

I have no doubt that Vladimir suggested Tele's to you, but did he think it would improve the sound of his equipment? I am not so sure.

I tried numerous replacements (Telefunken, Amperex, etc.) for the JJ ECC83S tubes in the Tenor amps and never found anything that came close. The sound changed, and it was different, but to my ears, never as quiet and never as clear as with the current production JJ's.

Why is it that manufacturers like Tenor, Joule Electra, BAT, and LAMM successfully use the 6C33's when Atma-sphere was never able to properly use them? Nothing against Ralph, but the other manufacturers knew exactly which 6C33 tubes to order. My point, again, is that if the manufacturer really knows the history of the tubes and how to hand pick them, for what he or she is using, it is hard to find a replacement NOS tube that would better it.

Rcprince,

Usually Lamm furnish his amps with very cheap input tube. I have to note that the fact that they are cheep dose not men that they are bad. I have once his amps that used a few bucks worth GE 12AX7 (they came with the amps) and they were incredibly good. Another pair came with RCAs that were unspeakable garbage. The usual top of the line 12AX7 suspects would be the definite recommendation to use with the Lamm electronics as well but the question would be: what you would what to accomplish If you tell me what you find in your sound need to be “pushed”, “improved” I would suggest you some specific tubes to look. However, to roll tube just because they are interchangeable is a pretty stupid activity….

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

Romy: I'm still getting used to the amps, and really am discovering there's little I'd like to improve (I originally thought the dynamics were a little restrained compared to my Jadis until I recognized the difference was in the relative listening level, as the Lamms seem a little less sensitive than the Jadis). The tonal balance is as neutral as I've ever heard, so there's little I'd like to change there. Given my past experience with new vs. NOS tubes, I am probably more interested in the longevity of the NOS tubes, but it may be the Lamm circuit is easier on the tubes than the Jadis. What's your experience been on the latter item?

*** I'm still getting used to the amps, and really am discovering there's little I'd like to improve (I originally thought the dynamics were a little restrained compared to my Jadis until I recognized the difference was in the relative listening level, as the Lamms seem a little less sensitive than the Jadis).

Yes, Lamms do have some restrictions of absolute dynamics. Partially it is due to some decisions that Lamm used within his amps and partially it is due to limitations of your loudspeakers. When you run LM2 with above 105dB sensitive speakers (and the REAL capable speakers) then all questions about dynamics will evaporative. However, there are some more important things about the Lamm dynamics then the "absolute dynamics". Lamms amps (and ML2 is an unconditional monarch in this domain) manage to control the dynamics pattern (attack/decay) with a level of intelligence that is unachievable with any other amps. People do not really get it. They are not familiar with sharpness of notes, with subjective affect it has to thier listing experience and with the mechanisms according to which the tone rolling to it's pitch. Entire industry pursues a sharpening of tone as a evidence of “quality” and this is very unfortunate hi-fi-ish tendency. For example if you look at the Tenors that have larger subjective dynamic then Lamms then you detect that the Tenors dynamic is wild and stupid. The amplitude with which an amp run across a dynamic range is important but the most important the speed with which it approaches to the marked dynamics point. This speed of change speed is where the “dynamic” Tenors demonstrate is complete impotence. The acoustic dynamic acceleration has it’s own patterns and acoustic attack/decay pattern has own mechanism. The majority contemporary hi-hi “designers” or not familiar with them or not capable to couple the correct attack/decay pattern to other characteristics of amplifier. If you listen serious music and have non-corrupted by hi-fi taste then you very soon get use to the Lamms ability do not scrutinize the attack/decay and by means of this to preserve the original harmonic and dynamic stricture. If you need more “absolute dynamics” then get read your funny 90-94 db sensitive speakers (also killed by the stupid crossovers) and go to the high sensitively world.

**** Given my past experience with new vs. NOS tubes, I am probably more interested in the longevity of the NOS tubes, but it may be the Lamm circuit is easier on the tubes than the Jadis. What's your experience been on the latter item?

Lamms still could be benefited by the better input tubes. The different 12AX7, 4004, ECC803, E83CC, M8137 (do not go for 5751 despite Lamm suggests it in his FAQ) and many others would make it, I would say different, and perhaps will “write” for your system more desirable result. The input tubes lest for VERY long time, years… many, many years. The output tubes can credibly work for 1.5 year with intensive use.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

Russ, you bring up a very good point with regard to listening to new amps. I am finding this out also as I compare my ASL Hurricanes to the ARC VT 100mk2. There are so many thing to consider besides sonics such as sensitivity levels etc. Stay on course an