Dream speakers and amp for an 11x14 room?


Hi All,

I'm a first-time poster and hate to present an idiosyncratic problem, but I'm getting the impression that the devil is in the details when it comes to high-end audio, so here goes:

I've got an 11x14 living room that serves as a home theater, and currently have a great video projector that I'd like to mate with a top-notch two-channel set up (I've been persuaded to give up on the 5.1 surround idea). My dream is to have a system that's capable of everything - from running quick, delicate, joyful circles around Beethoven's middle quartets to disgorging "Led Zeppelin I" with a massive, terrifying soundstage.

I was initially hell-bent on floorstanding speakers - I've never shopped high-end audio until now, and remember the big floorstanders my father had back in the 80s, with 12-inch woofers powered by a big, late-70s solid-state Scott amp. The Gallo 3.1 were one idea, as well as the FJ (Blumenohofer) Oms. Both of those models attracted me partly because of their wide soundstage and sweet spot (the latter unfortunately lacking in a few other models that have attracted my interest, including the Devore 8s and 9s).

But while I've been impressed during a few recent auditions by the floorstanders, and hate the tiny little images thrown by most bookshelves, the more I read the more it seems that such bigger speakers may be a bad idea for the room in question - I don't have room to be placing speakers three feet away from the wall - two is even a stretch.

A couple of other key constraints: The speakers basically have to fit under the 6 1/2-foot-wide movie screen, whose bottom edge hangs 38 inches from the floor. That's because the screen pulls down alongside the left side of this "front" wall, while immediately to the right of the screen a bedroom door is cut into the wall.

It should be noted that this front wall is of a cheap, hollow construction - courtesy of an enterprising landlord who moved to convert my apartment into a two-bedroom - and I worry that will be a factor when it comes to bass. There's also another bedroom door - immediately to the right of and at a right angle to the first, so as to form a kind of 90-degree void to the right of where the right speaker would be placed.

Opposite this front wall, 14 feet away, is a double-door that opens into a kitchen that's about 10x11. Through all of this, the ceiling height is about 7 1/2 feet and the floors are hardwoods with a few oriental rugs available if necessary.

Now, as a stopgap, I've installed a cheap 5.1 surround system, with a right bookshelf and a center speaker under the movie screen, and a left bookshelf speaker sitting - yes, that's right - in the back corner of a bookshelf that's built into the left wall. This latter speaker seems to have trouble generating a lot of sound, given the few precious inches of space behind it. I've also got a powered subwoofer on the floor under the movie screen.

So given all that data, I guess the first key question is - are there bookshelf speakers, a center and a woofer that could take the places of the cheap ones and sing, despite the lack of space behind them? I really wouldn't want to place them, or any corresponding subwoofer, more than 6 inches to a foot away from the wall (or a few inches from the back corner of the bookshelf, in the case of the left side).

And the second question would be - provided I'm willing to move the easy chair that's in the left corner under the movie screen - is there a pair of floorstanders, preferably less than 36 inches high, much less 38, that could deliver what I'm looking for in terms of sound, given the fact that they'd basically need to be as close as 4 feet together, with one about two feet from the left side wall and the other with a couple of doorways off to its right and back right?

For those of you who have gotten this far and still have a clue as to what I'm getting at, I am both grateful and impressed. Please let me know what information I can provide to clarify the situation. I'm looking to pay up to $3000 or so for a used pair of speakers, probably the same for a used amp. Interested in everything from solid-state to SETs - but seems like I should concentrate on this speaker question first.

Thanks!
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The X-static won't work well in this sized room - it needs a good amount of breathing room.

It is a shame that your monitor auditions did not include a sub being hooked up! Maybe you could try again, this time with a sub, to see how it goes?

The Usher Be-718 that knownothing recommended is one to seek out an audition for.

The Dynaudios in particular need a SS amp with the ability to drive some current, preferably doubling the WPC when the impedance drops to 4 ohms. The only problem is they require a bit of current running through them to really open up, which your sized room won't really allow. I owned Contour S1.4s for a few years, and always struggled with this. In a big enough room, they are mind-blowing with a Rel sub.
I concur with Goatwuss regarding Dynudios, benefit of current, and room size.

I've used my Contour 1.3mkIIs in the same 12X12 room as my smaller OHMs and they do very well there, but I believe would do even better in a larger room with a sub.

One day I'll substitute them in for my Triangle Titus 202s in my other system where I run a sub and give them a chance to really shine.
Guys - sorry I've been out of pocket the past day - was scrambling to head off for vacation and now I'm on it! Knownothing - thanks for all those great monitor suggestions - you've given me hours of material to investigate and look forward to reporting back. I'll be out of pocket for the next 8 days, periodically checking in, but appreciate all the continued input from you guys.

It's funny what you say about the Dynaudios needing big ss amps, because a dealer hooked some of those up to a 30-watt integrated Leben tube amp and I thought they sounded pretty darn good, even though they obviously needed a sub.

DD1 - I had actually begun my journey a couple months back with the idea of the Heresys, but got a little concerned about the reported lack of bass - wondering if that would be a problem in a smaller room. At this point though, I'm thinking they're probably too bulky for the furniture situaiton I'm dealing with, so I either need to think skinny towers or monitors...

On the amp side, do you folks think it would be overkill to splurge on something like a McIntosh 6900 or a Jeff Rowland Concerto to drive a setup for a smaller room? What about a Krell 400xi or a Creek Destiny?
Agree that Dynaudios can sound wonderful with moderate wattage tube amps - but more good juice can't hurt either.

Before we go onto amps - don't forget a quality source, or you will be at risk of G.I.G.O.

The amps you list are fine. Lots of power is not a problem in a small space per say, and will provide lots of dynamic head room for transients even when barely idling. But you will be paying for capacity that you may not ever use in current application. You may be better off from a sound quality standpoint to pay for more expensive internal parts in a lower output amp.

Here are a couple of threads with (my) former amp recommendations for your consideration:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1198185645&openusid&zzKnownothing&4&5#Knownothing

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1249063069&openusid&zzKnownothing&4&5#Knownothing

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1248817465&openusid&zzKnownothing&4&5#Knownothing
Knownothing - "You may be better off from a sound quality standpoint to pay for more expensive internal parts in a lower output amp." This is exactly what I'd been thinking and I took a look at the links you posted. You mention Ayre and Naim, but it's not my understanding that those brands have more expensive internal parts than McIntosh, or some of the other big integrateds?