Jazz for aficionados

If someone who was trying to communicate with me, they could be highly educated, but only spoke French; we would not be able to communicate because I don't speak French.

If someone was trying to communicate with me, but only spoke "music", we would have great difficulty communicating, because I never took music. Although this thread is about music, I never learned how to make music; that's why I initiated posting "links" of the music you are trying to communicate.

No matter how well a person is able to communicate in the language of music, I can't understand that language; consequently, he might as well be speaking French. While a long post in this language would be most impressive to another musician, I don't speak the language.

When describing music, a link, along with a description of how this music affects you is quite sufficient.

This post is for "The Newbee" ; post can be read below.


"When you say 'like' or 'dislike' it is a personal statement whether you choose to amplify it or not. When you say 'good' or 'bad' it suggests that this categorization has more of a universal application to the music absent your personal enjoyment or lack thereof, and most folks would expect you to amplify on how you reached that conclusion".


I can only assume, he meant expand in the colorful language of music, which I can't speak.    If he meant to expand in ordinary English; that's the purpose of the musical link.

Acman is a man of few words, but since this is a thread about music, the link he posts is quite sufficient.

Anyone who is versed in the language of music, can contribute long posts in that language; many aficionados enjoy reading it, and there may be two musicians here who both read, and speak the language. While I enjoy reading such posts, I hope no one expects me to write one; I don't think there is anything more descriptive than a musical link.



Enjoy the music.

I have two sons; one grown and the other almost. The number of times that I say to myself: "sometimes dealing with my kids and their childish and petulant behavior is like dealing with some on this thread" surprises even me. Why? Because in both cases sometimes the behavior is an attempt at getting attention and wanting to appear more grown up than they really are. Deep inside kids know who has the real answer; but, darn it!, they will argue, scream and holler in order to, if only for a moment, feel grown up (knowledgable).

The real question is: why is Rok bringing up the subject of fusion and modern jazz at this point; and bashing it again at that? It’s not like there’s fusion being posted regularly. The fact that some like it and some don’t has been made crystal clear. Answer: comfort zone; the comfort zone of negativity towards what he doesn’t like or understand in an effort to get attention and build up what he does like. The insistence on continuing to call it "noise" when he KNOWS it is liked by individuals who have amply shown to be thoughtful music lovers will be seen as nothing more than provocation and stirring the pot; especially because a simple "I don’t like it", would suffice handily. Or, alternatively and much better yet, in order to make truly meaningful and substantive commentary he could offer something besides "it’s noise", "not a natural evolution", "it was done for the money", etc; comments which are essentially meaningless. Of course, a simple desire to keep the peace, at least for more than a day, would also suffice; but, like the finer points of music, that’s not part of the repertoire.

Rok, I could quote you and say "Wrong again!" I won’t, I’ll be a little less tactless. I believe you’re wrong; it IS all a natural evolution. You said it yourself; "product of the environment". You like music with simple structures, easily recognizable "tunes", and harmonic and rhythmic structures that are easy to take in and don’t challenge our sensibilities, however sophisticated they may be in other ways; all a reflection of the time of their creation, of your sensibilities and comfort zone. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Fast forward a few decades to music that is more complicated reflecting a more complicated time, and in some cases "free". Why does it bother you so much that some don’t agree with your definitions? And, please, don’t go to the "it degrades the art" nonsense. I have no issue with you not liking what I like, but please do yourself a favor and don’t ridicule yourself by calling what some of us like "noise". I believe you do know better than that, but like my thirteen year old........"look at me, look at me!". Why are you still "searching for the truth"?; seems to me that you have found it already......the truth for you. Others on this thread have found their truth; why can’t you leave their truth alone? Now, if you would like to discuss this stuff in the only way the has some objectivity (so that it is applicable to all) (Newbee) let’s see what you got; haven’t seen much yet. Miles didn’t go in the direction he did "for the money"; he had plenty already. The real shame is that in spite of how much you like certain music you still don’t really understand the creative spirit.

All this was way too personal I admit and counter to your suggestion that things be kept less personal. All I can say is "practice what you preach".

On a fourteen hour plane ride (long posts; aren’t you excited?) to uncertain internet connectivity so nobody go reading into a possible delay in response time.

Acman3, nice quote, I need to borrow that myself sometime 😉 Love Eddie Harris, thanks.

Where’s my damn peanuts?!

High Altitude has been known to affect Brain function.

Being a magnanimous guy, I'll leave it at that.

Cheers

Some music from my 'computer's memory' that O-10 spoke about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDVb5wRn4ng&list=PLD672A33F1735CE07


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykj90cvYLCQ

Cheers