Zu Druid IV - the real deal?

Most people will not put in the time to learn Burn in.. It takes a lot of patience, NOT LISTENING... You do not sit and listen for 15 hours straight and decide to see if something happens. But this much I can Guarantee, TUBES, Capacitors, And even Drivers will change sound character after being under continuous load for a good solid week to 2 weeks straight, then when you shut it down and turn back on it will be pretty stable but still take maybe a half hour to warm back up to the 95% level it was at after the Serious burn in occured for a couple weeks.

There are a lot of backyard mechanics on this site that have heard their system in bursts, for 3 hours here, 2 hours there, another 5 hours over there.. So what, leave em' on and burn in new caps, drivers or tubes and there is Change whether you believe it or not, whether it is for better or worse, normally for better, better soundstage, smoother transient response, things don't sound as artificial.. Kinda how a brand new car the engine does not put out full horsepower and best gas mileage as it will after 3000 to 10,000 miles, it just works. Maybe some don't experience this phenom' Okay so be it, but that would suck for sure.

I have no personal affront with Bartok and am not picking on him as you suggest. I do not question the veracity of his statements. However, my doubts are manifested by the post in this and other threads which indicate, IMO, a lack of experience and knowledge as you pointed out.

Lastly an "eager contributor" of falacious information is by definition a bad contributor IMO. Wouldn't you agree? Don't forget that a lot of folks rely on the information posted here, for better or worse, in making decisions on equipment purchases.

Thank you.

I have a friend, a piano tuner who hears things in my system I can never locate. Joni Mitchell sounds fine to me but he thinks her voice isn't chesty enough. He raves about levels of detail that I'm not sure I hear.
Plainly, the two of us have different levels of acuity or, at the least, difference points of reference or taste. Neither of us is wrong and neither is an expert. Many of the comments I read on this site seem to be very authoritative in tone. In fact, I'm sure some rabid archivist will dredge up something I've written in the past to expose my hypocrisy in mentioning this. This will only illustrate that I too am guilty or have been.
What I'm getting at is the need for all of us to recognize that our values are perceived and our opinions flawed. The sound is what he hear and only what we hear. The notion of an Absolute Sound is poppycock. How can the ephemeral be absolute? Sounds are fleeting no matter how many times we replay them. What we hear varies from moment to moment, mood to mood and person to person.
I find Zu to be unencumbered by the compromises invariably introduced by crossover networks. I also dislike makeup on women. Most guys seem to think it enhances her. To each his own.
I'm glad Skuras likes his Druids. I had the same "right out of the box" experience. In fact, I have read many times now about people who make similar statements. I'm not sure about Chazzbo's 80/20 ratio but I think the ratio of people who have actually listened to them in their own homes and loved them is much closer to 100%.

Audiofeil...

I think that Newbees post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek...at least that's what I got out of it.

How many billions is our national deficit up to now Bartok?

and now...back to your regularly scheduled programming on....

the ZU channel

Audiofeil, Tough place for a newbee to seek advise. Ask a reasonable question and you'll get 10 answers, two of which might happen to be right. When the stars are all alighned the right ones will be well phrased and intelligently presented so the questioner will have his answer. If they are not well phrased or intelligently presented then the questioner will disregard them and any of the other wrong answers similarly presented by others.

What I fear for those seeking to solve problems are well phrased, intelligently presented, thoughtfully considered answers, coming from folks who present themselves as being experienced and knowlegable, which happen to be just plain wrong.

I think Bartockfan's posts present no such problem for any reader.