Michael Green,
With some delay, I looked at that thread on Tuneland that was mentioned by jf47t and I am glad I did.
It shows your perspective for some of the things and I could agree with some of them. More places to actually listen in is a big missing piece in whole story and, unfortunately, you have not been successful at promoting it (according to your writing). Too bad. Instead of that, we are now left with reading reviews and buying equipment (tuning blocks are also equipment for this purpose) we have never heard properly or maybe even seen outside of the computer monitor. I wish you succeeded.
You did put a definition of an audiophile and elaborated on some of those aspects, but missed to emphasize the difference between "audiophile" and her/his related field (audiophilia?) and HEA (High End Audio). It does read as if audiophiles are somehow lower class than those leaning towards HEA. What would be a definition of HEA? No, I am not trying to "troll" you. It seems that difference is significant in your view, while I thought those would be at least overlapping, if not mostly synonyms.
Regardless of what HEA is, mention of the "cult" in this thread had nothing to do with HEA itself. It was clearly referring to participants’ views of Tuneland forum style. Nothing about music reproduction. Nothing at all. Nothing even about audiophiles or HEA. Just the view of the Tuneland dynamics. Right or wrong.
It is great that you posted all those pictures. Finally. I know, someone will ask for addresses, etc. but for less picky it was great. It brought some idea of what is being done. Well, it also answers the question why there is no wider acceptance of it. No matter how good it sounds, it looks practically unlivable with. Some may do it, but most will have to pass just on the basis of that. Not everyone is retired (surprise!!!) and some have children or pets who are not compatible with that kind of equipment. Their loss, we could say. Would putting some inert material around those exposed electrical parts be really detrimental to the sound? If you could work on that, it would broaden the reach.
I will skip commenting on many of the sentences from the post at around 3 am (June 18). I am only afraid that prof, when he comes back from his vacation, may have a heart attack. Which brings me to another piece.
You state...
Speaking of "trolls", you use that word to an extent that dilutes anything you are trying to convey. It is not the case "if you repeat it enough, it will become the truth". It sticks out like a sore thumb and appears like desperate whining. Don’t do it.
By the way, I am not sure if a person can "troll" her/himself, but according to description of "troll" you provided on Tuneland, you would have qualified on this thread on more than one occasion. It is easy to do it, the definition is too broad.
Goodnight and Happy Trolling everyone!
With some delay, I looked at that thread on Tuneland that was mentioned by jf47t and I am glad I did.
It shows your perspective for some of the things and I could agree with some of them. More places to actually listen in is a big missing piece in whole story and, unfortunately, you have not been successful at promoting it (according to your writing). Too bad. Instead of that, we are now left with reading reviews and buying equipment (tuning blocks are also equipment for this purpose) we have never heard properly or maybe even seen outside of the computer monitor. I wish you succeeded.
You did put a definition of an audiophile and elaborated on some of those aspects, but missed to emphasize the difference between "audiophile" and her/his related field (audiophilia?) and HEA (High End Audio). It does read as if audiophiles are somehow lower class than those leaning towards HEA. What would be a definition of HEA? No, I am not trying to "troll" you. It seems that difference is significant in your view, while I thought those would be at least overlapping, if not mostly synonyms.
Regardless of what HEA is, mention of the "cult" in this thread had nothing to do with HEA itself. It was clearly referring to participants’ views of Tuneland forum style. Nothing about music reproduction. Nothing at all. Nothing even about audiophiles or HEA. Just the view of the Tuneland dynamics. Right or wrong.
It is great that you posted all those pictures. Finally. I know, someone will ask for addresses, etc. but for less picky it was great. It brought some idea of what is being done. Well, it also answers the question why there is no wider acceptance of it. No matter how good it sounds, it looks practically unlivable with. Some may do it, but most will have to pass just on the basis of that. Not everyone is retired (surprise!!!) and some have children or pets who are not compatible with that kind of equipment. Their loss, we could say. Would putting some inert material around those exposed electrical parts be really detrimental to the sound? If you could work on that, it would broaden the reach.
I will skip commenting on many of the sentences from the post at around 3 am (June 18). I am only afraid that prof, when he comes back from his vacation, may have a heart attack. Which brings me to another piece.
You state...
The trolls on that forum even went as far as to warn readers not to come check out TuneLand …….So why is it they didn’t want readers to visit here? The answer to that one is simple. They don’t want people to come here, because here is where we "walk" the hobby.where I happen to be the only one who recommended that Audiogon crowd does not go to Tuneland and forums stay separated and therefore I am the "troll" referenced in your post. You did pick some of my words, changed them a bit, omitted my explanation, and presented your adjusted opinion as firm truth. Had you not done all of that, you could have put me as a spiritual co-author of your sentence in which you explain why two forums are better left separated...
I don’t want to be as personally involved or bring that bad karma over to the pages of TuneLand from any place that might be wanting to sow bad seeds.I will give you a credit, but you should remember where you read it first and decide if following "troll’s" thoughts makes one a "troll".
Speaking of "trolls", you use that word to an extent that dilutes anything you are trying to convey. It is not the case "if you repeat it enough, it will become the truth". It sticks out like a sore thumb and appears like desperate whining. Don’t do it.
By the way, I am not sure if a person can "troll" her/himself, but according to description of "troll" you provided on Tuneland, you would have qualified on this thread on more than one occasion. It is easy to do it, the definition is too broad.
Goodnight and Happy Trolling everyone!