Eric Clapton on J.J. Cale


Since becoming active here on Audiogon, I’ve occasionally attempted within discussions on musicians to explain to those who aren’t yet aware that, though the Rock ’n’ Roll players most often thought of as being "the best" are almost all from the school of musicianship that I refer to as "Look at me. Aren’t I good?" (in an interview later in life, Keith Moon said his goal when he started out was to have his audience think he was the best drummer they had ever seen). I have then said that there is another school of musicianship, the players of which approach the making music from an entirely different perspective, referred to as ensemble playing. Preferred by songwriters and singers, they play in a way so as to make the song and/or singer, not themselves, sound good. They are most commonly heard in recording studios, not on stages.

Now, if your taste in, say, drummers, runs to Neil Peart, Alex Van Halen, Ginger Baker, or good ’ol Keith Moon, I am going to assume that you don’t listen to music primarily for the song, or the singer, or ensemble playing. If I am over-generalizing and over-simplifying, forgive me.

I bring the subject up because I just watched a video on You Tube---an interview with Eric Clapton (by Dan something of Guitar Player magazine) on the making of the tribute album Clapton did to celebrate J.J Cale. I highly recommend watching the video to get an understanding of the kind of musicianship Clapton values in another player---his abilities as an ensemble player (which Clapton first became aware of when he heard The Band). Clapton admits that when he first was told of Cale and heard his playing, he wasn’t that impressed, thinking that Cale didn’t seem to be doing much. As he got older, and matured as a musician, he came to appreciate the subtlety and taste in J.J.’s playing, singing, and song writing.

J.J. Cale is from Tulsa, Oklahoma, as are some of my favorite drummers, who have a feel unique to the area. Many of the musicians on the album are from Tulsa, including drumming great Jimmy Karstein (T Bone Burnett, Dylan, Cale). Never heard of Karstein? A much, much better musician than Pearl, Van Halen, Baker, or Moon---honest!

Speaking of Tulsa, the reason Tom Petty ended up on Shelter Records is that when he and the rest of Mudcrunch drove from Florida to L.A. to get a record deal, they stopped in the town to hook up with The Dwight Twilley Band, whose first album (on Shelter) Petty was extremely impressed by. Leon Russell had an office in Tulsa, and Twilley took Petty in to introduce him. Petty was told to go to the studio Shelter had in L.A. when he got there, and it was in that studio where the first few TP albums were recorded, right on Sunset Blvd., not far from The Whiskey and The Roxy. By the way, the first DTB album---Sincerely---is astounding, one of the three or so best debut albums (along with Music From Big Pink and the first Moby Grape) of all time, imo. Far, far superior to anything Petty ever did. You may not agree.

While you're on You Tube, watch the video of Clapton inducting The Band into The Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame. After hearing Music From Big Pink, Eric told Jack and Ginger he was done with Cream, and went to Woodstock to hang with The Band, intending to ask them if he could join. He never got up the nerve, and finally realized they neither needed for desired his services ;-). He went home, joined forces with Steve Winwood in Blind Faith, who went on the road with Delaney & Bonnie, whose band members (all from the Tulsa area) became Derek & The Dominoes. Their drummer was the incredible Jim Gordon, perhaps the greatest of all the Tulsa drummers.

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Like you, I prefer ensemble playing to flash, but you’ve picked the wrong players to make your point. The Who was an ensemble consisting of four players, none of whom were replaceable. Keith Moon’s style of drumming was perfect for The Who and was an integral part of their sound. Could you imagine someone on the drums tapping on his snare and tom toms, unobtrusively keeping time, adding an accent or fill from time to time? It wouldn’t be The Who, IMHO.

The Who continued on without Moon, but they weren’t The Who after he was gone, no matter how enjoyable the shows they put on with other line ups were.

Here is a quote from Jorma Kaukonen, an acoustic fingerpicker of some reknown, about Eric Clapton and Ginger Baker in Cream that I came across on the No Depression website:

He (Jorma) saw Cream at Winterland in San Francisco when the British power trio was recording its historic Wheels of Fire double album in 1968.

“I never saw anything like it,” he says. “The whole show was mind-boggling.” Cream was “just powerful, and no one was more animated than Ginger,” Kaukonen says, referring to drummer Ginger Baker, whom many say was the best drummer in rock and roll history.

Kaukonen says he had seen Cream once before, during their first U.S. tour at The Fillmore in San Francisco, after the group released its debut album, Fresh Cream. During the late 1960s, a lot of people were raving about Jimi Hendrix, Kaukonen says, but "I personally just dug what Eric Clapton was doing with traditional blues more.

"In my opinion, no one transliterated the music of the masters into the power trio format better than Eric and his pals. Hendrix was monumental. I just dug Clapton more. What Eric was doing was important to me. He was probably the first person to make me want to use a wah-wah pedal.”

So there are different kinds of ensemble playing, some of which require extreme displays of personality to make the ensemble work, again in my non musician humble opinion.


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Rock 'n Roll and good taste is an oxymoron.  Well, at least some of the time.  I'm all for laid back restraint, superb sense of timing and telepathic interplay, but it's not necessarily better than over the top virtuosity.  It takes all kind and there are times when too much ain't enough.

Was there ever a guitarist who actually needed a wall of Marshall stacks?  Not really, but it looked so cool.  Even the Eagles wrote about takin' it to the

I was at the Fillmore and Winterland Cream shows along with Jorma (whose acoustic guitar playing is not bad, unlike his dreadfully bad playing on electric in The Airplane), and at the time loved them. I also saw The Who at The Carousel Ballroom performing the entire "A Quick One While He’s Away" suite, and the following year playing the Tommy album. Keith Moon was a RIOT, playing with astounding kinetic energy, humour, an absolute madman. But it was the bass playing of John Entwistle that astounded me. Amongst the three greatest bassists I’ve ever seen and heard live (along with Joey Spampinato of NRBQ and Rick Danko of The Band).

Keith Moon was quoted as saying he couldn’t have played in The Buddy Rich big band, and Buddy couldn’t have played in The Who. Horses for courses. And there couldn’t have been a Cream without Ginger’s playing. But as far as developing a playing style, an approach to a lifetime of making music, there are other considerations. John Hiatt chose Jim Keltner to play on his Bring The Family album, not Ginger Baker. And he chose Ry Cooder to play guitar, not Jeff Beck. For me, the song comes first, the singer second, the band third, and the individual musicians last. But I’m a song guy; a great song sung or played by even a mediocre singer or musician is much more musically satisfying for me than the opposite. Others disagree, which is as it should be.

Clapton in The Last Waltz said "Music had been going in the wrong direction for a long time. When I heard Music From Big Pink, I thought to myself, well, someone has finally gone and done it right". I had to relearn how to play drums after eventually "getting" ensemble playing (while hearing Dewey Martin of Buffalo Springfield play live in the Summer of ’69, in his post-Springfield band). But I love AC/DC! While just about all the other British Bands at least try to play Blues (Sonny Boy Williamson telling The Hawks in 1965 about the bands he had been provided with for his recent British tour, where he was backed by The Yardbirds---of which Clapton was at the time a member---and others: "They wanna play the Blues so bad. And that’s just how they play it" ;-), AC/DC is pure, American, Chuck Berry-derived Rock ’n’ Roll, my first love. Long live Rockpile!

As for amps, after my "awakening", nothing was less cool than a Marshall or Orange or HiWatt stack. All the good guitarists I’ve met and/or played with (and seen live for that matter) long ago switched to small combo amps, especially the Fender Deluxe Reverb and Vox AC30. Mike Campbell buys every old Vox he finds, they say. A Gibson Les Paul Jr. into a Deluxe (on 10 ;-) is the bomb! That’s what Jonny Kaplan played when I was with him. When I recorded with Evan Johns, he played a Tele into a Super Reverb (4-10’s) on 10, which was pretty rockus. That was Stevie Ray Vaughan’s favorite amp. Twin Reverb’s (early Jerry Garcia and Santana) are too brittle and piercing for me. Combo Bassman’s are great.