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After what seems like a hundred hours or more of reading.  I think I am at the end of my search for subs.  If anyone has listened to any of these subs, I would greatly appreciate your review on them.  After all this research I have narrowed it down to 3 subs, I dont really care about any other subs, probably due to this 2 months of research. Exhaustion has set in and a choice needs to be made.  I have only had the chance to listen to a few, best buy being my source for listening. I did listen to Martin,  rel,  svs sb 2000 and sb 4000. Rel and Martin's under 1k, did not give me toe tapping. Both svs's did. (I will be selling both my vanderstien 2wq, i havent listened to them in yrs and just want new toys)  Other than BB, I have to travel quite far for hi end.  I listen to 60/40 music/HT.  My room is 8'x14'x24'.  Front spkrs are totem winds. I will be purchasing one in February and a second with 6 months.  In order these are my choices.
1.  Svs sb 3000. 
2.  Rymthik f12se.  
3.  Paradigm defiance x12

I've read alot on svs and rymthik, can't find much on x12.  Worried about rymthik only having 370 amp, yes I know it's servo. But svs is 800/2500. Quite a difference.  I thought about 15 inch sub, but the weight is crazy.  Ported is also heavy and possibly not up to my standards for tight music.  So I guess my question is,  who has listened to these 3 subs and what is your experience and evaluation of these subs. Details are appreciated.  Thanks, Pete
pcc67
big_greg
6,670 posts
 
I don't own any of those subs, but I have a Rythmik F15, not the F15HP (and also a pair of F25s) and two SVS SB13 Ultras.  The F15 is not that big or heavy.  I have mine in my office system.

No experience with the Paradigm subs, I've never heard one.  They make great speakers and the inclusion of ARC in the Paradigm subs is interesting.  I tend to think of internet direct as being a better value in most cases than buying through a dealer network, but I could be wrong.  I'd be a little concerned that you can't find much info about the Paradigm subs especially if you can't audition one first.

I would also suggest stepping up the Rythmik ladder to an F15HP, since it's about the same price as the Paradigm sub you're considering. 

I know you said you don't want to consider anything else, but I think if you can find a used SVS SB13 Ultra you would get more bang for the buck than the SB 3000 and it'll be about the same size.
pcc67 OP
226 posts
 
Thank Big Greg,
I real wish they would ad a subwoofer category. Seems like many people are using subs.  I don't want a used sub, really in the market for new.  The pbk from paradigm defiance x12 will not be need because I will be upgrading my faithful lexicon dc1 to either a anthem mrx720 or avm 60, since I already have 2 amps. But that's another thread. I recently got back into audio after 12 yrs of everything sleeping.  Long story, lol. Would really like to hear from some owners of the svs sb3000 and rymthik f12 or f12se. Give room size, music and HT experience.  Thanks Pete 
big_greg
6,670 posts
 
Pete, 

For what it's worth, I bought my SVS subs used in August 2014 and they are still going strong. There's a reason SVS offers a 5 year warranty on their products.

Greg
danimaz
60 posts
 
Not sure why people only look at numbers when comparing different subwoofer brands. After reading so much about SVS subs I finally ordered SB 2000 and SB 4000 and directly compared it to JL e112 and the paradigm prestige subs. There is absolutely no competition. JL and paradigm were a lot cleaner than the SVS. I am not saying svs makes bad subs but comparing svs to JL and Paradigm is like comparing one of those luxury Hyundai genesis car to a Mercedes Benz S560. Genesis is a good car but S class is just built better, faster, more refined and that is was it costs twice as much as the Genesis. 
Forget the numbers go have a listen yourself!
ricred1
2,058 posts
 
danimaz,

I've owned several SVS subs and for music they don't come close to JL Audio. Based on actual listening I prefer one JL Audio F112 v2 over two SVS SB16 Ultra subs.
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