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What responsibility does a seller have to tell a customer an item has been serviced?

A few months ago I bought an expensive pre-amp from a dealer here on audiogon. This is a long time known dealer with an 100% approval rating.

I went to his home to listen to it and there was one quirk about the design I didn't like about it but I thought I could live with it. I had spent so much time and effort to get it. A pretty long drive. When I brought it home and within 24 hours by the afternoon of the next day I realized I couldn't live with it I called him to return it. 
He didn't want to take it back. On his website he has a 30 day return policy. Unfortunately not being an experienced buyer I did not know there is a hidden tab on audiogon saying no returns. Why is this not stated on the main page?!

I was furious and he said he would take it back if I forced him to but he already had another buyer for it. I felt bad and there was a (hidden) no return policy so I let it go.
I had given to him two excellent pieces, the pre and an integrated, and cash for it so I lost quite a bit of money on the deal. I'm obviously not an experienced savvy customer.
I asked him to just give me the pre back for the piece he sold me and keep the rest but no deal. And he told me the pre I gave him in perfect condition, the one I wanted back, wasn't working so he had to send it in for repair. But I shouldn't worry about it. What?!!! I drove it to him I didn't ship it! And why shouldn't I worry that I gave him a non working component when I told him it was in perfect condition?!

Then about a month later I saw he had it listed for sale. This was about 2 AM and I immediately wrote him asking for it in exchange for the item I bought being that the sale he had fell through. Early the next morning hours later he told me it was sold and he had taken it down.

He did list my item he sold to me on audiogon for a couple of months at his expense but no sale. I finally at an extreme loss as I said was able to use it for credit towards another item being sold by another audiogon dealer. This dealer told me he spoke with the American distributor of the brand who told him the first dealer had sent it to him for repair. This was not told to me. Of course I was outraged. But I hadn't asked. If I had known I would never have bought it.

So this is my question: What obligation does a seller on audiogon have to tell a client an item has been serviced if a dumb customer doesn't ask?


Still burned by the loss of so much money and the jerking around and what seems to be a couple of lies.

roxy1927
bigkidz
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Depends on the repair.  Some repair work that I do I know will last for ever.  Other components especially older ones with cheap circuit boards I know may have long term issues.  It does not always go smooth.  It depends on the repair being done,

It would have been nice to day that the manufacturer repaired the unit or is a local prepare person did the work.  But you heard the unit work perfectly so your only gripe is the issue that you now feel you cannot live with.  That person could have just sucked it up because you were a nice guy just like you were asking that person to do.  But that person is not obligated and you did not ask for a in home trial period.

If all it comes down to is a clicking in the volume control, that have someone swap it out for one that does not make any clicking sound.  Would that make you a satisfied buyer?

Anyway he is not obligated but it would have been a nice gesture.

Happy Listening.
oem-wheels
196 posts
 
So to all that disagree that a past repair need not be in the description, what if there was a chronic problem with a particular unit and the seller decides to fix it ONE LAST TIME, plays it for 10 minutes then puts it up for sale?  I think it should be mentioned whether it 1 time or 3. 

As a buyer I expect transparency and as a seller I do the same. I just feel it’s part of being a good trader.
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tastyfreeze
135 posts
 
Both sides have obligations.  
The Reputable Seller should clearly disclose the known history of the item.  
The buyer should ask and if need be reclarify both questions and answers.   
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wturkey
772 posts
 
If the item is an older unit, I would prefer a professional open up the hood and take a look at least once. The sellers that irk me are the ones that claim their "tech" recently serviced the unit. When pressed for proof of work done, sellers rarely can cough up any information of any kind. Saying the unit was serviced and not having any kind of proof? Yeah, thanks but no.
roxy1927 OP
131 posts
 
'Anyway he is not obligated but it would have been a nice gesture.'
Yes and as I said he DID make the offer. But being that he told me he already had a customer for it I felt it incredibly unfair to take a sale from him when he kept his part of the bargain.

When I found out the deal fell through I decided to take him up on it. You know what happened next.

Then of course finding out from the guy I gave it too that it had been a serviced component was pretty embarrassing and it got my goat. Remember I was not being transparent with the guy I traded it to. I'm guilty of what the seller did simply because I did not do my homework. Just kicking myself that's all and wondering do you offer important information that can hurt a sale if people don't ask? Or do you keep quiet and hope you have a dumbo.
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