Vinyl***What If***

It's almost comical that I can't believe there are those who don't know what life was like before CD; that's how old I am, and fail to realize there are people so young they don't remember those days.

"Analog", is the first joke, only we just called them record players or TT's; that's all we had, so everybody had one. When CD's came out with no noise or "snap crackle and pop", we thought they were the most fantastic things we had ever heard, and the players were not expensive.

Someone queried "What's the big deal"? "Watchu talking about"? we responded. We didn't know that they owned "High end Analog". No longer do we have record players and TT's, now we have ANALOG.

Relatively few people have gone back to ANALOG, especially once they discovered the expense involved in "High-End-Analog". That was so long ago, that we actually have people who are not old enough to remember those days, and they are trying to discover what the big fuss is about. The people making the big fuss do not want to clarify; are we talking about "record players", "Mid-fi turntables", or are we talking about "Hi-End Analog", because there is a tremendous distinction between the three.

It seems to me that they are trying to lure those with a low budget into this very expensive game, and I say "Not on my watch" . Every time I see a thread that talks about "Starter Analog", I jump on it like a dog on a burger, because I know they're going to advise some cheap stuff that's a waste of money.

"Analog" is better IF, and only IF, you can afford to buy "High-End-Analog".

rauliruegrass

my target is to stay NEARER TO THE RECORDING no MATTERS WHAT. Tubes never put me nearer to the recording just can't do it. Tube alternative is full of limitations agains a good solid state design.

That's perfectly fine of course FOR YOU.  If you want to describe your own goals I think anyone would be happy to listen. I enjoy hearing about the journey and criteria other audiophiles have.  But you don't keep it to "this is what I like, and these are my goals." Rather, you prescribe to other people what they ought to do: "enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS."


When you get pushy and tell other people how to engage in their hobby, you should expect some well-deserved pushback ;-)

orpheus10

"Analog" is better IF, and only IF, you can afford to buy "High-End-Analog".

That's quite a short-sighted viewpoint.  It confuses your own likes and criteria with those of others.  People can find analog - in this case vinyl/turntables - "better" than their digital music for a whole variety of reasons.


As you acknowledge, the discussion in this thread clearly concerns getting in to vinyl/turntables.


The fact that YOU think you can only get "analog" satisfaction by spending lots of money on "High End" stuff doesn't entail this is the case for others.


Tons of people, young and old, have been getting in to vinyl.  They aren't spending tons of money on gear and they have been thrilled.  


And many like the sound of vinyl, even from cheaper players, better than their digital music.  It doesn't have to be better in some technically accurate sense for people to prefer their records.  And of course it's not only sound, but the wider experience of physical records, artwork, turntables, hunting for records, the way using records on any equipment seems to naturally focus many people on listening rather than as background music.   There are many reasons why people are enjoying vinyl without spending lots of money and it's far from everyone who gets on to an expensive upgrade path.  (And if someone DOES go down that path, it's because they want to, so there's nothing wrong there either).

It seems to me that they are trying to lure those with a low budget into this very expensive game, and I say "Not on my watch" .

I'm sorry, but what a silly, misguided attitude.  People want to buy a record player and play records, and you are going to be mister "Not On My Watch!!!' ??   


I'm glad it's not your watch; otherwise plenty of people would have been pushed away from getting in to something it turns out they truly enjoy.

I do not know one single solitary person who was into analog who went back. They don't even play their old records. The know, after a lifetime of records and record players, that the fuss is about "expensive" high end analog.

I'm not trying to influence people, you are. I only want them to know the truth; there is no big deal on a record without "high end analog". I want them to know "before" they spend their money, not after.

I hope there is a record player somewhere close buy they can hear and determine for themselves.

Correct Orpheus
You do not know me.....

Must have taken at least 15 years away from vinyl and yet here I am......


My daughter is VERY happy with the vinyl rig I put together for her.

Check it out under my systems page.