Vinyl***What If***

rauliruegrass

my target is to stay NEARER TO THE RECORDING no MATTERS WHAT. Tubes never put me nearer to the recording just can't do it. Tube alternative is full of limitations agains a good solid state design.

That's perfectly fine of course FOR YOU.  If you want to describe your own goals I think anyone would be happy to listen. I enjoy hearing about the journey and criteria other audiophiles have.  But you don't keep it to "this is what I like, and these are my goals." Rather, you prescribe to other people what they ought to do: "enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS."


When you get pushy and tell other people how to engage in their hobby, you should expect some well-deserved pushback ;-)

orpheus10

"Analog" is better IF, and only IF, you can afford to buy "High-End-Analog".

That's quite a short-sighted viewpoint.  It confuses your own likes and criteria with those of others.  People can find analog - in this case vinyl/turntables - "better" than their digital music for a whole variety of reasons.


As you acknowledge, the discussion in this thread clearly concerns getting in to vinyl/turntables.


The fact that YOU think you can only get "analog" satisfaction by spending lots of money on "High End" stuff doesn't entail this is the case for others.


Tons of people, young and old, have been getting in to vinyl.  They aren't spending tons of money on gear and they have been thrilled.  


And many like the sound of vinyl, even from cheaper players, better than their digital music.  It doesn't have to be better in some technically accurate sense for people to prefer their records.  And of course it's not only sound, but the wider experience of physical records, artwork, turntables, hunting for records, the way using records on any equipment seems to naturally focus many people on listening rather than as background music.   There are many reasons why people are enjoying vinyl without spending lots of money and it's far from everyone who gets on to an expensive upgrade path.  (And if someone DOES go down that path, it's because they want to, so there's nothing wrong there either).

It seems to me that they are trying to lure those with a low budget into this very expensive game, and I say "Not on my watch" .

I'm sorry, but what a silly, misguided attitude.  People want to buy a record player and play records, and you are going to be mister "Not On My Watch!!!' ??   


I'm glad it's not your watch; otherwise plenty of people would have been pushed away from getting in to something it turns out they truly enjoy.

I do not know one single solitary person who was into analog who went back. They don't even play their old records. The know, after a lifetime of records and record players, that the fuss is about "expensive" high end analog.

I'm not trying to influence people, you are. I only want them to know the truth; there is no big deal on a record without "high end analog". I want them to know "before" they spend their money, not after.

I hope there is a record player somewhere close buy they can hear and determine for themselves.

Correct Orpheus
You do not know me.....

Must have taken at least 15 years away from vinyl and yet here I am......


My daughter is VERY happy with the vinyl rig I put together for her.

Check it out under my systems page.

I do not know one single solitary person who was into analog who went back.

Well now you do.   I grew up with records (I'm 55) and have got back in to vinyl big time.  Loving it.

If you paid much attention to the vinyl scene, you'd see plenty of people who grew up with vinyl have either dusted off their turntable or have bought a new one and are having a blast.  I read articles about it all the time, and know quite a few people who are back in to vinyl - many of my friends.

You should get out more ;-)