Vinyl***What If***

Prof, it ain't that subjective; something that's rated Class A by Stereophile and TAS will sound better than something rated Class C. The only thing that's subjective is the music one chooses to play on the equipment. While there is truth to subjective, it can go beyond the bounds of all truth, to the extent that it becomes a subjective lie: "Hamburger tastes better to me than Grade A porterhouse steak"

My preference is Grade A "holographic" sound whether it's delivered by digital or analog is irrelevant; that's because I can get the best out of both. I didn't spend 30 years subscribing to UK stereo magazines, plus Audio, Stereophile, Stereo Review, and everything related to the reproduction of sound for nothing.

There is nothing the multitudes who lived with vinyl records don't know about it, and they have decided to live without it. Now we got a brand new con game for new consumers who don't know, telling them how special it is, without telling them the price of that "special sound"; that's dishonest.

Orpheus- what does all this do for you?
I doubt any of my gear is rated in Stereophile. 
I also prefer bone in aged rib-eye to Porterhouse, and was a regular at Luger's back in the day. 
So what?
Everyone finds their level. You've found yours. Next. 

orpheus106,000 posts03-12-2019 1:03pmProf, it ain’t that subjective; something that’s rated Class A by Stereophile and TAS will sound better than something rated Class C.

>>>>I prefer not pay too much attention to what others think these days. I feel it’s kind of a scam on a certain level and the perpetuation of a scam. Can I say that?

Prof, it ain't that subjective; something that's rated Class A by Stereophile and TAS will sound better than something rated Class C.

Wrong.  Some people will prefer - "sounds better to me" - certain Class C speakers over A rated speakers.   That should be obvious.
I have a very old pair of Thiel 02 speakers, late 70's, the cheapest thing they ever put out - made to absolute minimum acceptable standards sold for a few hundred bucks.   I very much prefer their sound to any number of far more expensive class A or B speakers.  They do some things that sound "better" and more believable to me.  Again..you are in no position to tell me or anyone else otherwise.  That's subjectivity for you.

it can go beyond the bounds of all truth, to the extent that it becomes a subjective lie: "Hamburger tastes better to me than Grade A porterhouse steak"

You just don't understand subjectivity and value, do you?I've tried some of the most expensive and lauded foie gras and couldn't stand it...because I don't like the taste of foie gras!  I would vastly prefer a good hamburger which would taste better to me.  

It's perfectly possible and reasonable for someone to prefer - "tastes better to me" - a hamburger over an expensive steak.   For most of my life I've been in that camp;  I generally don't care for steak.  But I love hamburgers.  If you think you can tell me that I'm just "wrong" that a hamburger tastes better then you are clueless about subjectivity.  It's not like there is some objective rule written in to the fabric of the universe "steak tastes better than hamburger."  All such statements derive from subjective evaluations which are valid for the individual.

Now we got a brand new con game for new consumers who don't know, telling them how special it is, without telling them the price of that "special sound"; that's dishonest.

There you go again, mistaking your own subjective criteria as some rule, from which you can determine other people are being suckered.  Sure...all those naive people happily browsing in record stores and getting a kick out of playing vinyl on their non-high-end set ups are just suckers.  What they really need is someone like you to tell them "You SHOULDN'T be so happy and satisfied, it's just not valid...unless you spend TONS more money!"   

No point in going further; you don't really want to understand an alternative view.

There are certain types of people who value convenience along with their sq and for them the good old CD and streaming is the way to go and possibly should never consider vinyl. Although my sl-10 could be considered as a one button operation?
However for me vinyl is also about a lot of physical and sensory perceptions and actions.
The chase for that lp in thrift stores and my lrs, I tell you nothing much puts a bigger smile on my face than that $1 bargain bin purchase that after a good clean really shines on the table!

The sensory and tactile operations involved with everything vinyl, from cleaning, sorting, actually picking up and inspecting and finally placing carefully onto the platter and lowering that needle down and hearing the first strains of sweet music.

It is NOT for everybody for sure as time and effort are involved but it is about much more than just the sq of the music, its about life and soul and sheer musicality.

I truly could not care less if a streamed version of an album is technically superior to some, if I am happy then so be it.

I ENCOURAGED my daughter 100% to try vinyl even though she was born in the iPod age and a very modest system has her now buying vinyl all on her ownsome ( she bought a Floyd bootleg few weeks ago at $65!).

I would also encourage anybody who is aware of the more lifestyle commitment to give vinyl a try as well and try to educate them on what is involved but NOT try to tell them they NEED megabucks to enjoy.

For sure once you get hooked it is very easy to spend, spend, spend on the hardware but you do not HAVE to in order to enjoy all that goes along with the vinyl experience.