What is wrong with a sub?


I often read that if you go with this...you'll need a sub.  Seems to me to get speakers where no subs are needed you pay 1.5 -> 2X the price of the "lessor" speakers with a sub.  I kinda like my sub.  Am I bush league (I may be, but I mean because of the sub)?
davidgwillett
I'm too new and inexperienced to take a side.  But as I posted - I like tube amps.  I like how they sound.  As such at reasonable price range tube amps there are no ribbon speakers I can use.  The subs having their own amps move the air fine.  I also like the argument that the position of the subs may not be where the mids are.  
Good subs add an "atmospheric" thing to a hifi system that has to do with charging the room with frequencies that exist in real music played live, not necessarily chest thumping low notes although they can do that also of course. My my main speakers have a very accurate low frequency range that sounds excellent without subs, but dial in the subs and man...something is just there that ain't otherwise...orchestral music sounds like it's in a real acoustic space, pianos sound like hey, that sounds like a piano! Subs aren't and never have been "lacking respect" in the audio community so don't get hung up on low notes, simply enjoy something closer to what music is supposed to sound like.
first 2 subs are a lot better. I have 2 and have experimented running just one. No comparison  The Achilles Heel  is when come with a built in plate amp with volume control and cross over point. Most of these are crude and cheap

Emerald Physics make a interfacing product called The BOM (bass management) which works pretty well for ~ $300, but to get the best Marchand offers excellent outboard active XOs, but they are costly
David, I am hesitant to use different makes and models of subs when putting multiple in the same room. I’m not saying it can’t be done or that it can’t sound great but I believe you stand a better chance at integrating them when they’re all the same model. If you already have multiple subs and want to try it out, let me know what your results are. 

As for DSP, it stands for “digital signal processing.” Some subs have it built in. With my system I added a MiniDSP inline with the signal going to the sub amp. It lets you tweak the signal in virtually unlimited ways based on what programs you upload to the DSP. I use it to cut and boost problem frequencies which are caused by my room modes. You can also adjust the phase, time alignment, delay, add filters, high pass, low pass, etc. 
1+ wolf_garcia. mkgus as long as you keep it symmetrical you will be ok.
If you use two subs up front they should be identical. If you were to add two more subs they could be from a different manufacturer. The DSP is great but you have to know what you are doing and to do this you need to be able to measure the situation with a calibrated mic. You can not change the nodes in the room. You can only correct the frequency response at your listening position. If the listening position is in a nul point
you want to move it back and forth a little in the room to where the bass is if anything too loud. In a nul point it will cost you a lot of power to correct. This is easy to do. Get a test record or download with frequency tones. Play a 40-60 Hz tone and walk back in forth in the room right between and 90 degrees from the speaker axis. You will hear the bass come and go as you walk in just a few feet! Mark the spot you like and move the listening position to it. Now correcting the response will save you power and you won't need a 2000 watt amp.