Eh hem!...Subwoofers... What do ya know?

@ishkabibil "why buy speakers with limited bass response?" Some of us like the flexibility of smaller speakers that are easy to position for the best presentation.Then add subs at optimal positions around the room.There are no longer any peaks or nulls and the bass blends seamlessly. 

The sound is much less localized in my large room. Using just my mains when I’m alone is fine . You can sense the depth of bass all the way down its roll off (below 30hz ) but large room = more people . More people needs more bass . The subtly of the deep bass is no longer existent over people talking after 3-4 drinks. And you want the ability to flex your audio muscles in this case. You can be an audio snob when youre alone or else people will quit coming over. Most people dont care or have a clue to what their listening to . I’ve explained my system to out of town family and they looked at me like i was effed in the head. Anyways , 


Read why the swarm got a golden ear award then shut off the computer . 

Subjectivity and personal taste aside, clearly there are those who simply haven't experienced the advancements of current Extra Low Frequency implementation and/or software design.

Even if your speakers are equipped with built in self powered subwoofers, in all likelihood those subs are not optimally placed within their environment to take full advantage of their integrational and presentation potential. Which is why their manufactures often demonstrate them in conjunction with outboard subwoofers. 

Wilson, Magico, Focal, etc. all produce subwoofers. Its not the novelty of loud bass. Its advanced adjustability of multiple ELF parameters and thier programable control. 

@millercarbon 4 subs is a no go for me. I live in an apartment after all. I did try to move the sub next to the couch and I feel like I have it so it integrates well and isn't apparent thats its next to the sitting position.

All in all it remedies most of the problem at the sitting position. I would really rather NOT have subs at all so I don't know. I haven't had time to sub crawl AND I'm also going to play with the height of the mains. These came with 24" tall stands but have a 3"+ front port that puts the tweeters way over my ears (bass is better standing also). I'm going to try putting them on 18" tall solid objects to see what happens.

THey make a lot of really good bass that may be hard to come by otherwise.