Seriously considering tube preamp…opinions?


Tube virgin, here. I am building a system and I'm trying to contain the preamp/amp cost to $3k or so. (I could go up a little.) 

I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.

I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.

So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —

1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.

2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?

3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?

4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?




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If your goal is to try tubes and want a bulletproof piece with unrivaled customer support then see if you can find a Herron. Lights out performer—way better than any of the ARC or Modwright line stages I tried. Not very “tubey” sounding though—just super quiet, very balanced and natural sounding. I’ve had mine for years and have no interest in trying something different.
@hilde45

..."Next step would be to continue the idea that a tube/solid state mix is worth a listen.

...Waiting on my Salk Wow1’s."

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Salk Wow1 speakers? The mini monitor 84db 8ohm 48hz speakers, those?

On the first few pages I was perplexed anyone could recommend a preamp/sensitivity or amplifier for you without first understanding what speakers you are acquiring soon. Now i/we can better understand why you mentioned running a "solid state" amp back end with a tube preamp front end.

IMO: The speakers you run partially dictate what amps you can run to get what you want out of the sound, and the amp(s) chosen will match better (sensitivity wise) with some preamps better than others.

Three Questions:

  • When visiting the dealers looking around at different preamps/amps are you sharing the specs of your Wow1 speakers with sales folks helping to make recommendations for amps?
  • If truly Wow1s, down to 48hz, are you planning to run them with or without a subwoofer? It’s important to know this up front.
  • I ran/tested smaller monitors like Wow1s (84-87db Totem Acoustic) for decades and built a few sets with similar Seas components running 200w/300w mosfet solid state amps. Driver control was key. They need the right room too. Have you settled on the solid state amp first (important)?... then select the preamp after.
Amps:
Honestly, I’d ask Jim Salk first about proper amps for these speakers. They can rain or shine with the right amplifier.

Tube Preamps:
Mike Sanders Quicksilver Linestage (specifically, non-remote version) for $1295 with the right vintage input tubes will put a hurting’ on some of the aforementioned $2500+ preamps. Be careful of cheap circuit board preamps unless you can buy a spare board with the preamp at purchase time. Some mfg builders don’t keep spares later.

On Jim’s site, for Wow1s.
Response +/- 3db **48Hz - 20kHz
Sensitivity 84 dB
Impedance 8 ohms
Amplification 100 watts