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Seriously considering tube preamp…opinions?
Tube virgin, here. I am building a system and I'm trying to contain the preamp/amp cost to $3k or so. (I could go up a little.)
I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.
I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.
So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —
1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.
2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?
3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?
4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?
I'm inclined not to dive into tubes all the way through, but get a solid state on the output end. (Open to suggestions; inclined toward PS Audio, Parasound.) I'm reading around about tube preamps and have talked with my local dealer, who sells Black Ice/Jolida and Prima Luna (PL). He used to carry Rogue but said they kept coming back for repairs. That's why he carries PL.
I'm asking these questions after having established (via reviews, comments) that Schiit gear is quite the value. Lately, I've been reading about Decware and other small tube makers. I'm very curious about buying direct, if possible, and a company that stands behind their products is crucial.
So, your opinions about tube integrated or *especially* tube preamps —
1. Who do you like? Consider I want to do pre/amp for a total of $3k if possible.
2. Do you think PL is worth all that money just for a preamp? I get the feeling they're high quality but a bit over-hyped. (No disrespect to the highly passionate Kevin Deal, but he's all over my search results.) And what would you think about $2k/$1k preamp-to-amp spending ratio?
3. Any sense of what happened to Jolida since the name change to "Black Ice"? I see there's a sordid story there but did the re-branding clear up the mess? Any experiences with the Black Ice company?
4. I know there are many Schiit fans out there; so my question would be -- did anyone consider Schiit for tube preamp and go another way? Or move beyond Schiit for any particular reason? It's hard not to just capitulate and do a Freya+ or Saga+ but why wouldn't one just go with Schiit?
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I hope you feel you're still getting value out of this thread. Kinda seems to me that what started out as a pretty straightforward quest - to pick up a wonderful tube preamp - has evolved into a somewhat wide open discussion of many wonderful options in which virtually everything is on the table. Except for (maybe) your chosen Salk WOW1 speakers. But I think I read that you are content with those. Let me share a couple of thoughts on power amps. First, you don't have to stay with the big (and therefore $$$$) names. I'm sure they are nice amps and sound good. But there are wonderful options out there from lesser known builders, especially on the used market. Note that I've not shopped around for any specific amplifiers, but I'm simply trying to broaden your list of possible candidates that should be available without breaking the bank. Coda would be on my short list. Complete beasts, capable of powering virtually any speaker into harmonious submission and tranquility while provide superb, performance-transparent-insight into whatever recordings you throw at them. Brought to you by the guys who founded Threshold. Sanders Magtech or Innersound Electrostatic. These amps can take an inefficient speaker and make it sit up and play wonderfully. And they are bulletproof. One of these amps would allow you to comfortably stay with your less-efficient speakers and return to shopping for a killer tube preamp. And this thread is replete with many well regarded candidates. Don Sachs, Supratech, DeHavilland, Atma-sphere, Quicksilver. These would be on my short list, though there are probably other options out there. |
@markusthenaimnut Which Coda amp, most are big $$$? The trade-in Coda TS in Sac at the factory listed on fleabay has been stuck at $3,700 for a long time, past year. Another "under the radar" Co in the US, but known around the world. Do you know of any other Coda amps for sale for less - if so private message hilde45 and me too :) I live and work 10 min from Coda. Can go check it out for ya if you like :) Pass Labs, QuickSilver, Coda, all within 10-45 minutes from me. I test different amps with my custom speakers. |
------------------------------------------------ This one? :) If so, some serious grunt for electrostatic loudspeakers. Potential to likely grenade the small-driver Salk speakers hilde45 is looking at. Quote, re: InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier ("ESL amp") "massive output stage. Each output transistor is capable of delivering 250 watts -- and there are eighteen of these per channel. As a result, it can deliver a staggering 135 amps of current with a combined power rating of 4,500 watts per channel!". |
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