Advice on....Snake Oil


So, I get it. You purchase something and other claim it's snake oil. Or they purchase snake oil and you lay claim to the adage. 

My one question,

What is the general consensus a reputable brand would spend considerable time, resources and finances to create a product that is or what some would call "snake oil". 

My belief is that a lot of brands (PS Audio, Isoacoustics, Audioquest) would probably better spend their time developing and creating an impact rather than making a questionable product. Any dialogue to be had or am I off base?
j-wall
Dont let the so called Snake oil pro-hunters, hide from you the truth:

Any ready made " generic" electronic designed component, need to be rightfully embed in a "specific" triple dimensions in your house and audio system: mechanically,electrically and acoustically...

No audio component being " generic" created in ideal conditions is ready out of the box to gives his optimum working without being protected by resonance and vibrations controls, without being treated against a too high noise floor in your electrical grid and mostly without being located in an acoustically treated room, with passive materials and active devices.


Is it not simple to understand?

By the way i was doing all that with homemade low cost materials and device, NO branded costly tweaks for me...

No tweaks solve this triple embeddings problems anyway.... NOT ONE....

And a bunch of tweaks is not a METHOD to embed your particular audio system  in your particular house....A method begins with systematic listening experiments....

Ok i apologize but newcomers need to know this basic fact....
I had my wife much to her annoyance read through a few cable sites. Never found one where there was a snowball’s chance to even bother the consumer protection agency to much vagueness in their claims. So yeah I did spend a little time looking into it but as I said she told me to forget it. 

cleeds3,166 posts
08-11-2020 2:49pm
djones51
If you're asking why I haven't it's because my wife is an attorney who explained to me why it would be a waste of time ...
So it would be a waste of time to file a fraud complaint with your state consumer protection agency, but it's worth your time to repeat the same claims here over and over and over again? Right.

Touche!! this guy is the biggest of Snake Oil Screechers in all Agon threads, and who knows, in many other audio forums. Question is why?
thyname-
Why are the Snake Oil Screechers so loud?
Nobody knows for sure but I have a theory. To be an audiophile is to have mastered a large and highly complex skill set. It requires at a minimum a basic grounding in acoustics, psycho-acoustics, electricity and electronics. This is all on top of the absolutely essential skill set of being a good listener. Being able to recognize, evaluate, and talk about what you’re hearing and to be able to do that down to the subtlest, finest degree. Finally, the cherry on top of this great big cake is the only reason its really worth doing at all is a love of music.

Well now, that’s a pretty tall order. Nobody ever really gonna get there. Being otherwise normal people some are gonna love music a lot more than physics. Some are gonna love electronics and measuring more than listening. Some are gonna just latch onto it for who knows what reason. To get girls. To live the dream of the glossy ad. Who knows?

Doesn’t matter. What matters is we all know this is true. Know it in our bones.

Well now this being the case, imagine you really want to be an audiophile, but its too hard. You can’t hear. Its too much mental effort. It costs too much. You’re too lazy to try. Whatever. Could be a lot of reasons. Doesn’t matter. Point is, its frustrating. Then you look around, see a bunch of dudes effortlessly doing it. Well, its just too much. You just can’t take it any more. You have failed, and its just not fair. On top of everything else your vocabulary is as limited as your intellect. All you can do is scream at the world: "Snake oil."
Mr Jones, atmapheres post is 100 percent relevant. It’s obvious anything that doesn’t help your cause, isn’t relevant, as per you, lol. That dosnt mean much it seems. We all know you’re anti any improvements, cables, or others. If we extrapolate using you’re logic, then there are also no differences in audio equipment, their efforts to shield their products, to damp vibrations, Upgraded internal wiring,  are senseless. a capacitor of a a certain rating is the same as any other. But, we all know this isn’t true either. Funny how some of you get to decide when and what products they do and do not matter with.