Put that in your pipe(s) and smoke it

Politics and economy cannot be described by a Venn diagram even here and even for describing only the people here...When we can describe politics with a Venn diagram it is an ominous sign indeed, resembling to the guy painting himself in the corner of his balcony without an escape route...the 2 parties alternative in north America and in some other part of the world resemble charybde and scyllas alternatives....It was not mean to be that way in the beginning, but to be a division of political work akin to breathing movements on the social body....It is no more like that at all....

Asking people to take a definitive side once and for all is like asking someone to paint himself in a corner.... Who is so fool to do it for himself to begins with?

Saying that people has no choices except these 2 one is very simplistic....

It remind me in audio of the useless war between digital and analog, or tubes and processors, or other apparent "superior" warring alternatives... In reality the 2 are needed to begin an understanding and an improving audio... In the same way left and rightwing positions are need together to understand a reality more complex than these 2 visions, even when they must work together...( war, pandemics, and also day to day efficient poitical work)


Politics to be real, like an ethical dialogue, suppose a "collaboration" for example between 2 parties in relation to an external reality participated by the 2 parties.... But if there is no more a common reality agreed upon by the 2 parties, there is war and no dialogue is possible...No political concrete effective solution is possible but only extremist ideology pertaining to one or the other party, when winning is more important than the search for truth...

Samething for economy, when the main part of the economical activity has no link at all with reality (material day to day economical trivial activities has no link nowadays with Wall Street).

Then understanding reality nowadays is impossible if we divided reality from the 2 parties sides, except to make useless Venn diagram...

I am afraid that thinking is necessary not more sophisticated cataloguing of anything with the 2 parties ideology....

I then suggest to ban any political militant partying opinions from the audio forum, except non partisan remarks in real politics....And nowadays real politics is not translatable no more in only left or only right simplistic scheme and games....

This lost of reality is the tragedy of our times.....

My best to all....

Politics is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations between individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status. The academic study of politics is referred to as political science.Wikipedia

Nope. It's not at all how you pretend it to be. Politics and economics are so intertwined that particular economic models like capitalism are constantly conflated with politics, and for good reason. You can't have one without the other.

All the best,
Nonoise

The conflating of economy and politics is precisely what the 2 worst ideology of the last century has in common....Reducing economy to politics of the worst kind, or reducing politics to economy of the worst kind is the same blindful road to autodestruction in opposite ways....

Any sane and sound mind must create the distinctive concepts that pertains and defines the 2, politic and economy, in their qualitative complementary dimensions of the healthy working social body...

More and more conflating between them of the left or of the right kind is a road to catastrophy by lost of reality in opposite ways but toward the same autodestruction....

What do we loose in loosing the reality? Not only reality itself but also we loose our own creative mind....

One can always discuss something in a vacuum for academic purposes but there’s always the overlap. One can even go so far as to imagine that they truly are separate, but they ain’t. Both inform each other. Your take is way too esoteric and abstract so as to not translate back into reality.

Back in the day when one took that course in college on English Literature, there was only one book you got and it was Norton’s History of English Lit, vols.I & II. Not only did one read the writings of the time but one had to bust one’s butt with the politics and economies of the time, as well as learn to read and speak Old English; to read it in it’s original text.

Can’t have one without the other. They all act upon and influence each other at a constant though differing rate.

Does anyone think that frog they dissected in lab in any way amounted to the real thing?

All the best,
Nonoise

Distinguishing something is not the same as separating something....Distinguishing the principle that must define real economy is not separating it from politic, and distinguishing politic from economy is not separating politic from economy....It is on the contrary linking the 2 in a reality where the 2 are working together and not warring....

Distinguishing without separating is call thinking...

If you say that this is academic thinking about the wings of angel, this is precisely killing the working creative brain ....I dont think that left politic and right politic has anything to do with reality nowadays....They dont work together anymore.... They are out of reality in their own bubble....

And there is something in a society more important than politic and economy in a sense, this is the spiritual principle linked to education for example....Education cannot be submissive to economy or politic....The principle linked to education are fundamental and absolutely not reducible to economy or politic in any ways....

But i will not annoy anyone and will not go further.... I apologize for my "academic" endeavour....
But thinking is "academic" only in non thinking circle by the way or in bad "academic" circles of the right or of the left kind....

It seems i am too esoteric also even in audio, because i think with experiments by myself.... :)

Just a word about the dissection of a frog, in a left or in a rightwing  way, my thinking is precisely about what is the real frog? And my answer is the real frog is not like those who dissect it or use its corpse pretend it is or must be ....We can compare the triple metabolism  of a real living frog with the principle governing his triple metabolism with the three principles governing a living society....


My best to you nonoise....