members and their systems

Birdscantrow, that's a good question about where some site members get the money to be purchasing this high end "stuff" when it takes most of us all we have to deal with normal living expenses and bills. Like you, I wished for ages when younger to be able to afford high end equipment.

Now there are obviously rich guys or gals around for whom this presents no problem. For many of the rest of us we've had to manage our finances
over many years in such a way that we finally can buy some high end equipment in our dotage. You can, if you work at it, pay off your mortgage before you retire. Medicare takes care of most medical type bills then. Likewise you can pay off your car. If you're fortunate enough to have picked a profession that pays a pension that helps enormously also.

Now unless you hit the Lotto, you're not going to get to this point in your life any time soon. So the answer to your question about how a regular person with bills affords this kind of high end equipment is, they don't. Not until later in life only, with planning, maybe investment, retirement IRA's you pay into while you're working, or other strategies.

 It can be done by regular working folk, but not easily, or without a great deal of patience while you take care of your regular bills and expenses. Finally that day may arrive when your planning and perseverance pays off and you can dip your toes into the high end market. I'm only speaking for myself here, others surely get their money for high end equipment by other means, nefarious like oregonpapa and jjss, or otherwise. 

Mike

The hobby is an interesting balance of priorities. On the financial allocation side of things, each of us make what we make, some obviously more than others. There is a great deal of wealth out there. There is also a great deal of strife out there, always has been and unfortunately it always will be. You get to thinking you are doing pretty well until you take a step back and look around you. Also, watch out for those giving advice, including me. Many on this site are a touch older than average and they developed certain parameters that defined their success: living frugally, getting their house paid for, etc, etc. Thats the model thats worked in the US for a very long time. Digging a little deeper, having sufficient cash for the inevitable emergency or economic setback (personal or the economy as a whole) has always been a good idea. That got turned on its ear in 2008 and many who worked hard and played by the rules and bought all the house they could leverage into lost a decade of fiscal opportunity because they were married to their mortgage. If your home is your largest asset then its very likely that your asset allocation strategy could use a review. Im not casting any stones here, just pointing out that moments in time change things forever. Has covid rendered commercial property valuing models moot? Housing prices are unsustainable in many areas and many people have seen their values rise to the point that their belief in their own strategy and the self righteousness that comes with it have also risen. Same goes for the stock market. The oldest lesson in finance is the only cure for high prices are high prices. 

Housing and real estate ownership: if the average individual isnt in the game though then they will never accumulate wealth. Period. So, if someone is renting they should calculate what it would cost to own something like they are renting and ensure that they not only cover rent but also put away enough to facilitate owning in a reasonable amount of time. If they cant visualize that plan they are either renting beyond their means or sticking their head in the sand. That doesnt mean they should buy the second they can, only that they should be able and prepared to when the landscape is right. Bad financial decisions are most typically made during good times. Betting on tomorrow to pay for today. Dont do that.


You see all kinds of behavior all over our economy. Dont get too wrapped up in what others do or dont do, have or spend. Personal responsibility is different for everyone but it is also something we are each pretty clear about even if we dont always act responsibly.


So, for those of us warped enough to be afflicted with the audio hobby, many have accumulated gear over the years and traded up and continued to allocate funds to the hobby. It adds up over time. Sure, some people overspend and do so irresponsibly. The economy is overcooked right now if you look at housing, used car prices, online spending and it trickles into audio.


Used prices of gear these days is very high and when something decent gets listed for sale, it gets snapped up. I buy and sell alot of gear and never make money LOL. I do it because the shopping landscape has forever changed. When I was a young man pining for a piece of gear, I would go often to the dealer, waste his time, listen forever, offer to sweep his shop until the point where either I had enough money saved or he would wear down. Today, if you want an extended demo, you either buy new from a vendor with a liberal return policy (I hate that) or buy used at a value where you can move it on without much financial leakage. I think thats alot of what you see when you posed your original question.


Also, don’t let some of the snarky posters get you down. They are the exception to this community rather than the rule. They spew BS at every opportunity, insult at will and stare at their screen non stop waiting for their next victim. In addition, when viewing their system pictures on some occasion I wonder why they they fret over their carbon fiber cable elevators rather than replace their bordello red carpeting but hey, everyone allocates their own resources to their own satisfaction.


Most of the nicer audio nuts here lead a balanced life and have better things to do than sit around and defend their speaker brand as if they had been knighted by a self annointed speaker shaman. Have fun, buy what you can comfortably afford and never look at it as a storage of wealth...that would be a mistake seen often and not worth emulating. Welcome to the hobby, to Audiogon and enjoy your music!

@glupson  "I bought all of my audio equipment myself. It was not that expensive, unless you ask my friends"  I love it.

How many times has this happened to you: A friend comes over, you turn on the system to play beautiful sounds for them, and the first thing they ask, before even hearing the music - "Wow, how much did that cost?"

I'm a retired widower and I love my passions.  Quality live and recorded music and a great audio system to play the mountains of music I collated since high school is a pleasure that is worth it to me.  

I'm not rich.  I'm not poor.  I AM one darn happy listener.  

They short Game Stop. 

Happy Birthday millercarbon, whoever you are!