Synergistic calls out Audioholics


Curious to see what Gene does...

https://youtu.be/PKLuLfj2iC4


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So scientists don’t understand what sound is, just as they don’t understand what electricity is. This obviously follows from this article. Those who are sure that everything can be measured, and everything immeasurable is just snake oil should read the article carefully.


Putting aside that rather rash conclusion...

...this speaks to a conundrum that I never see answered once people start resorting to the "things that can’t be measured" defense of tweak products and other gear.

If we are talking about unmeasurable phenomena....how did any company in question identify and solve the problem in the first place?Dreams? Communal trance? Consulting oracles?

The typical audiophile gear, cables included, come with a technical story from the manufacturer. "Here’s a technical problem that can undermine the performance of X item; Here’s how we solve that problem." And you are told about "skin effect," "radiation," "electrical interference," "dielectrics" "active shielding" and on and on. In other words, all type of phenomena that we know through being able to detect with instruments and measure.
Then they lay out some claim about how they have technically addressed the problem.

But then if there is any skepticism of the claim, you get fall backs to "Well, not everything is measurable you know! Stop looking to measurements!"

Well, HOW did the manufacturer know it was the specific technical problem in the first place, if he never could identify and detect it by measuring it? Pure conjecture and imagination? SR for instance talks about how you will hear a significant increase in frequency linearity with one of their cables. That would be measurable, right? Can we not presume they measured these differences?    If you don’t think so, how in the world would they have determined it was an increase in frequency linearity that was causing the perception in the first place?


You can’t have it both ways: claim to identify a technical problem by appeal to measurable phenomena, claim to solve the problem, but then have people throw up their hands on demands for measurements "hey, this stuff can’t be measured!"


Can anyone appealing to the "don’t ask for measurements, this stuff can’t be measured" stuff answer this conundrum?




...this speaks to a conundrum that I never see answered once people start resorting to the "things that can’t be measured" defense of tweak products and other gear.
You just distorted here the fundamental audio problem which is related to psychoacoustic....

It is not that they are things that cannot be measured .... it is the fact that in psychoacoustic the CORRELATION PROCESS between measures parameters and listening experiments cannot be replaced by ONLY MEASURES...The correlation process between measures and listening is an ONGOING process... This is called science....


Are you able to think?


You can’t have it both ways: claim to identify a technical problem by appeal to measurable phenomena, claim to solve the problem, but then have people throw up their hands on demands for measurements "hey, this stuff can’t be measured!"
You just have reduced here for the benefit of your own warring agenda against " ignorant audiophiles" the complex psychoacoustical chain of events and experiments to a false alternative...

Audio experience must be correlated to measuring process BUT CANNOT be reduced to it....

Quit binary propaganda and think....

IT is ridiculous to be against measurements and ridiculous to claim that audio experience and experiments must be and can be reducible to ONLY measurements...Listening experiments are ESSENTIAL ALSO....


PSYCHOACOUSTIC is the main science in audio ......Awake yourself before pretending awaking others...


I hate measurements and I will never  ever buy anything only based on measurements
but if two cables or wires measure the same how can one sounds better than other ?pls explain