Synergistic calls out Audioholics

@prof  
I did not make the diamond analogy, you did.  A diamond has intrinsic value as a gemstone, so if somebody sold a rock as a diamond that is clearly fraud and a crime.  Audiophile cables and fuses are sold to improve the sound of the Audiophile's system.  These items are in fact cables and fuses so there is no fraud wrt what they are.  The value is dependent on what the listener hears....i.e., what makes them happy. 

As you say, "snake oil is a euphemism for deceptive marketing."  That opens a huge door covering many products and industries.  However, a fuse is still a fuse and a cable still a cable.    Even if the SR stuff makes no measurable difference, cannot be selected in blind listening tests, and costs a fraction of the selling price to build, - if the buyer/user perceives the advertised level of improvement then so what?  Does that validate the marketing?  Maybe not, who knows?

Would I pay their prices for cables or fuses - no way.  Do I believe the value to me in sonic improvements to my system would justify the prices - not in my world.  Do I believe in the seemingly weird science and technology they use to justify the performance of the tweaky products they sell - nope.  However, I do not begrudge those who do believe in the value and want to spend the money. 

On the other side of the coin, I also appreciate the folks like Gene who present opposing viewpoints and especially when they make technical arguments supported with measurements.  Amir Majidimehr over at Audio Science Review provides measurements and has a way of reporting facts as he believes them to be, without judging the product or manufacturer.  That is the great thing about free speech and free enterprise, we do our research and vote with our wallets - nobody can make me pay for Ted's Ferrari.  

@djones
Interesting  re: FDA. 
It does have some curious responses to things at times. 
I heard a comedian on the radio, part of his routine was a bit where he suggested that all warning labels should be removed from everything, and those still alive after three years, deserves to be here. 
 https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/food/5642404/are-kinder-joy-eggs-banned-in-the-us/

nonoise,

To hear some say that they’ve never tried a product and then go onto compare it with homeopathic products and the like is silly. SR products are out there for the sampling.

Homeopathic remedies are out there for sampling too.

Do the anecdotal reports of users entail that claims for how the homeopathic pills work are true? Is that really good enough? If so, I guess you simply reject science and it's methods, at least for medicine. But if cognitive bias plays a role in why people think medically inner substances change their disease status, why could similar bias not play a role in evaluating audio?(It does). Please understand: asking if there is a certain type of evidence for a claim is NOT the same as saying the claim is not true. I’d hope such distinctions wouldn’t actually have to be pointed out, but it seems required dishearteningly often in these conversations.

but that doesn’t seem to meet the ever changing goalposts as now they want scientific documentation before they even consider listening to it?
That’s what’s called dealing in bad faith.

Well, that’s interesting. Ted Denny is telling us his products produce measurable results, and is even offering to pay to have his products measured as demonstration. I say kudos to Ted! Now there is something wrong with the desire to demonstrate a product’s objective performance via measurements? Are you against Denny’s efforts to show measurable results for his products? If so, why?

When someone as steeped in audio who should have easy access to what they claim doesn’t work (what with all their connections in the field) refuses to even listen to it speaks volumes to their inauthentic stance.

Can you show me where I have claimed SR’s products don’t work?Or are you making things up? Again.


(Hint: I haven’t - look at my first post on the subject).

Oh yeah children choking to death because their parents are dumber than rocks is freaking hilarious. I heard a comedian on the radio....

But if cognitive bias plays a role in why people think medically inner substances change their disease status, why could similar bias not play a role in evaluating audio?(It does).

Your habit to reduce ALL audible effects to be deceptive illusions or only BIASES if not measured or accountable by measures is linked to the false assumption and prejudice that consist to reduce any psychoacoustical experience and phenomenon to an electrical design property.... IT IS FALSE..... it contradict audio science in general and psychoacoustic science in particular....

MEASURES MUST BE CORRELATED TO HEARING.....

HEARING EXPERIENCE CANNOT BE REDUCED TO MEASURES ONLY...

If it was so, psychoacoustic science would be erased as a fundamental science and replaced by only physical acoustic....But the human subject is for the time being one of the main subject of science.... Human are not robots....

Are you able to think?


Your stategy to link audiophile experience of sound to homeopathy which you already discarded or to astrology, is a pure propaganda piece....

You would make me smile if it was not reflecting a tragedy....