Speaker size and soundstage

The mastering engineer can mix any sound/instrument recorded in only three ways all the volume in the right speaker, all the volume in the left speaker then anywhere in between. Unless he resorts to staggering phase and other tricks the sound is going to come from the right speaker, the left speaker and anywhere in between. If an instrument images outside of the stereo pair it might sound cool but there is an acoustical problem with the room. This is the only way that can happen under normal circumstances. Forget about how the recording was made although it is nice to get the acoustic ques of the venue into the recording it is because of their low levels that reflections can compete with them and make it seem as if you are in that venue but the high level of the instruments themselves should always come at or between the speakers. There is no other way to mix them without tricks. This is not IMHO Magister is a matter of fact.

You describe here the recording process forgetting that it is not a description of the acoustic experience you just did...

I listen to the "Gabrielli" album from Empire brass ensemble for example...

The sound comes from the external right and external left OUT of the speakers simultaneously with a very good deep front/back imaging...

I listen to many album and many present a deeper front/back imaging sometimes filling the room and between me and the speaker.... I am among the players and not sometimes in front of them at distance...

In general more than half of my albums make me forget the location of my speakers because the piano for exemple may sound in my room with a chord distibution from front near me,to back behind the speakers....i am near the piano able to touch the instrument....

Example: Moravec Chopin Nocturnes or Feltsman Bach Well tempered Klavier...Try these 2 and if the piano dont fill the room few inches from you , your system is boring and not acoustically very impressive... Sorry...
Buy these  2  albums very well recorded and if the sound dont fill your room your acoustic control is bad ....Simple....

Must I called it a sound between the speakers because you think that it is the norm? The sound is AROUND or coming way out of the space between the speakers and sometimes the 2 at the same times it is relative to the mic location in the initial event... ....


You forget that acoustic is NEVER perfectly seized by the recording process but the recreation of the 3-d atmosphere of the initial recording is most of the times possible IF we control the room....It is not magic it is science....

BEFORE my acoustic controls were in place the sound was always between the speakers, never outside them by the right or left and never near me, and never with a great front/back distribution in space....

After with the SAME components the situation were completely different...

Then acoustic controls explain it most of the phenomena ( with vibrations control for some degree)

In front of or behind the speakers is fine although in my experience the instruments and stage tend to be behind the speakers but this is volume sensitive and will vary depending on the type of speaker you have.
If you like the experience you have with instruments imagining outside of the speakers then don't change anything. But, it is an aberration of acoustics and not a product of the reproduction process in 2 channels.
I suppose you can get this in a 5.1 system but I wouldn't know as I have never taken them seriously. It is really only useful for theater. Getting two speakers to work in unison is more than enough.  

@fstary,

"I suppose having a system sound like a grand piano in the same room does not mean the system is perfect in all ways, but that memory stuck with me as well."



As it should.

Most (ok virtually all) of the systems that I've heard had no chance of even getting close to start with.

Other genres of music can place serious demands upon your loudspeakers but few make their shortcomings as obvious as piano can.

For some speakers it's a risk not worth taking, as I once found out when one of midrange drivers began to make some strange noises when playing back some Glenn Gould.

No jokes please.

^^^ The "strange noise" probably came from Glenn Gould himself :-)

redwoodaudio274 posts06-05-2021 8:39pmOverall size of the soundstage, specificity/precision of the soundstage, dimensionality of the soundstage, scale of the soundstage are, in my experience, distinct and dependent on multiple variables including electronics, isolation, noise, room, speakers, etc.  The only one I’ve found to correlate with size of the speakers/drivers is soundstage scale (eg. musicians and instruments sounding larger or smaller).


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WEll yes, my system ina  room 2x's the size i have , 10x12 8 ft ceiling, would most likely grant the soundtage air to breathe, more open *larger stage*. 
Which is why I listen very near field and preamp vol never more than 9 oclock.
So yeah, like the only other way to grant larger sound stahe either small, mid or  extra large size rooms is via the best option, Yeah you know its comming, thats all I talk about these days is <<Sensitivity> 
You just KNEW it was  a comming.
Every time I notched up the sens values on the full range, (tried 4 cheap chinese FR's) each offered a  different soundstage size.
The lower the distortion = the sweeter the soundstage = more open.
Right now i am using the DavidLouis 4 incher as low mids= low highs. Its not bad, = you get what you pay for. 
= You are not going to get Voxativ quality ina  chinese clone at $200/pair, Not going to happen.
Livable? 
eh, maybe, I mean fatigue free for the most part. Sure beats all the other chinese FR and the Seas Millennium tweeter at $700/pair, thats for sure.
Its was a  a nice lil  experiementation in testing dif FR , I have no plans to ck out other chinese made FR, 
I'm going after the 
*Real Deal*
No not AER, out my budget, as the Thor upgrades  broke my budget at $1400.
The other *Real Deal*
Won;'t mention lab, as *best kept secret* til time comes when I upload  a  YT vid for you guys. 
It will be a  3 way.
Seas W18E001/dual+
Mystery driver+
Magnovox 1963 tweeter horn,
 which may be the best tweeter ever invented. = New is not alwasy better. 
If the mystery speaker performs highs with minimal roll off, I'll take out my fav Magnovox (pulled from Richard Gray's stash room collected over the past decades)  as being un-needed. 
Bottom line = higher you sgo up the sens scale = larger will be soundstage  in whatever size room you have.
Now why is this?
I know the answer only by experiementing with different sens speakers past few months. 
Everyone should buya  cheap FR chinese speaker and test in their system. DavidLouis has many options. Then you can list it on ebay at a  40% reduction. At least now you can compare to what you have. 
Now you can determine which FR on the high end you  can afford.