When are people going to wake up and realize listening is a skill?


Thirty years ago I realized my lifelong dream of owning a 911. This is a fast car and so first thing I did was join PCA to get some track experience in order to be able to drive safely at speed. Of course I already knew how to drive. I was a "good driver" much better than most, etc, etc. 

PCA Driver Ed begins with several hours of classroom study. Track rules, safety, and some car control skills- braking, steering, throttle control. Yeah, yeah, whatever let's go!    

Then at the track they put you in your car with an instructor and you head out onto the track driving so freaking slow, actually normal freeway driving speed but it seems slow because, race track. So we play follow the leader with the instructor pointing out cones. Braking cones, turn-in cone, apex cone, track out cone. Each turn is numbered 1 thru 9, and there's turn worker stations, and they have flags, and you need to be watching and know what they mean, because you screw up and that is it your day is done. One full 20 min session, all the excitement of a tour bus.  

Bear with me. There's a connection here. Trust me. 

It goes on like this all day until finally we are signed off to drive solo but then there is an accident, flat bed, that's it for the day. 

Next time out I am so super confident instead of novice I sign up for Intermediate. Same cars, only the Intermediate drivers are supposed to somehow be better. Whatever.   

So out I go and Holy Crap everyone is passing me! I am driving as fast as I possibly can and being passed by everyone! Not only that, if you have ever driven as fast as you possibly can then you know this means braking as late as you possibly can, cornering as fast as you can, all of it. Which without fear of police is pretty damn fast! So fast I am not at all used to it, and so by the end of 20 min am literally sweating and exhausted!  

But I keep at it. Turns out all that classroom talk is about driving skills that are absolutely essential, not only to know but to be able to do. Threshold braking is braking right at the edge of lockup. Right at the very edge. Those cones are there for reference, to help you delay braking as long as possible. The turn-in cones are where you start turning, apex cone where you are right at the inside edge of the turn, track-out where you come out the other side. Do all this while at the very limit of traction and you are going very fast indeed. Without- and this is the essential part- without really trying to go fast.  

Learn the skills, practice the techniques until you are able to execute smoothly, efficiently, and consistently, and you will be fast. Without ever really trying to go fast.   

The connection here is, everyone thinks they hear just fine. Just like they think they drive just fine. In the classroom they talk about threshold braking, the late apex line, and controlling weight transfer with throttle. Just like here we talk about grain, glare, imaging and sound stage.   

I left one part out. All the track rats, they all start out talking about horsepower, springs and spoilers, thinking these are what makes the car fast. They are, sort of. But really it is the driver. By the time I was an instructor myself it was easy to go out with those same Intermediate drivers and it was like the commute to work it was so easy. My car was the same. Only my skills were greater.  

So when are people gonna wake up and realize listening is just like this? Nobody expects to become a really good golfer, tennis player or rock climber just by going out and doing it. Why are so many stuck talking watts? When are they gonna realize that is just like track rats talking hp?


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I don't understand why MC thinks it's his mission in life to be Tekton's chief apologist, but since he's taken up that mantle, I'll say this:  If the best defense he can mount whenever a criticism is leveled at Tekton is to claim the critic "needs to learn to listen better," then that doesn't bode well for Tekton.

My impression of Tekton has completely changed for the worse, almost entirely because of MC's constant, aggressive excuse-making.  

MC isn't doing Tekton any favors IMHO.
@kfscoll,

I don’t think mc’s relentless excuse-making limits to Tekton, it’s across the board on everything he owns. In case you missed it, @douglas_schroeder sums it accurately in one of his posts. 

“Some budget audiophiles and builders of average systems need to think they have advanced listening skills. They make a low to average rig, yet they want to pretend it's close to SOTA. Since they can't compete - for them it has to be a form of competition regarding performance relative to cost, etc. - on the basis of the system, they pretend their listening skills are inherently superior, or more developed. It's important to them to think they are doing audio in a superior fashion.”
Just last night I got 24 hours burn in on a set of Mazda NOS rectifiers in my preamp. I am comparing them to a pair of NOS RCAs that were in it. The challenge at my develpomental listening stage is to unpack what I am hearing and what is missing compared to each other, and to a sunjective benchmark in my mind of what that piece of music should sound like. I think most of us are pretty good at pass/fail approval of a complete system. We can tell if an entire system sounds like music and if our feet start tapping. What I have been struggling with is figuring out what just happened when I add or change a componet. Last night with the new tubes the imaging was stunningly good, but some of the bass was reduced, and the soundstage was pushed back. Better, worse, a good trade? Maybe a few more days of burn in there will be more changes.  I have been subject to "newness" bias, "it was expensive so it must be better" bias and especially "it's brighter so it's better" bias.  Putting together a great sounding complete system from disparate brands does require listening skills. So yes, I agree with MC that listening is a skill that is developed. Thank god i'm geeting a tiny bit better at it.