Questions about Ethernet Cabling


PLEASE READ: This is not a thread about the merits or demerits of audiophile-grade ethernet cables, or any cable for that matter. If you don’t believe in spending extra on expensive cables, I respect your opinion but please don’t turn this into a point of contention.

So before I ask my questions, let me describe how internet connectivity is setup in my house:

- [Home office/study] The modem (AT&T), router (Google Nest/Mesh), and switch ($25 TP-link basic switch) are located in the home office/study. I also have a second system in this room as well as other stuff connected through the switch. In other words, I can’t move the switch to another room.

- [Media room] The main audio system is located in the media room which is in the diagonally opposite side of the house (single story). This room has the ENO ethernet filter connected to the Innuous Zenith MK3 streamer, and so on.

[Long ethernet cable] A very long run of ethernet cable (CAT 6/over 100 foot) runs from the [Home office/study] router and terminates into the [Media room] ethernet jack/wall plate. This was done by the builder and it runs through the attic.

- [Media room] From the [Media room] ethernet wall plate, I then use another 6 foot ethernet cable (also CAT 6) that goes into an ENO filter and then on to the Innuos Zenith MK3 streamer.

 

So here are my questions:

1. Is it worth upgrading only the so-called last-mile ethernet cable, i.e. the one between the [Media room] ethernet wall plate and Eno filter while I continue using the long CAT 6 cable [Study >> Media room]? It is going to be difficult, if not impossible, to replace the long-run CAT 6 cable as it goes through the attic where several spots are not reachable without tearing down some sheetrock.

2. Is it worth adding a second audiophile-grade switch (e.g. uptone) in the media room while leaving the one in the study as is? Or is it better to upgrade the switch in the study first and place the cheaper switch in the media room? Or do I need to replace both switches (not prefered as it adds to the cost)?

 

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Just to share another experience, over here from Europe.

I can confirm that running a fiber cable from ones internet router (as in my case via a Ubiquity ethernet switch with a fiber uplink) to your audio room, already makes a substantial improvement over the 15 feet cat6 standard cable that I had earlier. It connected into my Innuos Mk2 Roon core/server via a fiber/ethernet converter that I used for this, which in turn was fed by an Sbooster Linear PS.

Recently I was offered the chance to test replacing this converter and PS with a Cisco Meraki MS-2020-8 switch which was 'reliefed' from its own internal power supply, and teamed up with a Plixir Elite Balanced DC power supply by someone here in my home country, who also threw in a home made specially shielded short ethernet cable to connect the Meraki switch with my Innuos Mk2. The improvement in refinement, dynamics and overall image opennes that this delivered was mind blowing.

Last night I took the same Cisco Meraki switch plus Plixir BDC and short ethernet cable to a friend where we tested this setup, but this time fed by his 15 feet Cat8 standard cable (so no fiber) and still the improvements where astounding.

I have no personal affiliation with neither Cisco or Plixir and hope to have given a purely unbiassed experience.

 

Enjoy the music!

 

I can confirm that running a fiber cable from ones internet router (as in my case via a Ubiquity ethernet switch with a fiber uplink) to your audio room, already makes a substantial improvement over the 15 feet cat6 standard cable that I had earlier. It connected into my Innuos Mk2 Roon core/server via a fiber/ethernet converter that I used for this, which in turn was fed by an Sbooster Linear PS.

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Just converting the last 6ft makes limited sense, though.

 

Yea, the first case rings true for me as well which is why I suggested it, as relatively speaking it is a very cheap thing to try.  Replacing a 15 ft cat6 run from my media room closet to the equipment rack by simply replacing the A side connection of my EtherREGEN+LPS1.2 with an sfp + fiber made a significant improvement.   For my system I would say the improvement was close to what I heard by adding the EtherREGEN into the cat6 connection in the first place.

The Ethernet cable I run from my $100 fiber converter (which isn't cheap by the way...) to my Bricasti streamer costs about the same as all of the fiber hardware I purchased for my audio room, so compared to the prices of high quality copper ethernet cables, EtherREGENs, linear power supplies, master clocks, static ethernet filters, etc., it is a pretty cheap thing to try.   

Obviously YMMV, but you may find like me a few feet of fiber just before your streamer actually makes a big difference and potentially saves you from a few extra audiophile network cleaning devices.   As fiber becomes more ubiquitous in home networks one would assume audiophile components will continue to add native support for it (e.g. Lumin X1, EtherREGEN, ...).   What will then happen to the audiphile side-market of network devices that scrub/clean noisy ethernet connections?    On Audiophile Style there are already discussions about how different sfps and single mode vs multi mode fiber makes an audio difference, so maybe that will be the next area of networking tweaks (e.g. audiophile grade SFPs etc...).

 

Based on my experience the Cat 6 cable will always be your weak link. I've found using inferior ethernet in front of high quality ethernet cable negatively impacts sound quality. I run a longer coax cable to eliminate the need for long runs of expensive ethernet cable.

 

Converting that Cat 6  cable to optical would be a great move.

@arafiq 

 

I use my Zenith as both Roon core and end point. I easily switch from Innuos Sense to Roon by simply changing the settings in the "My Innuos" menu.  Takes just a couple of minutes. 

In a word yes. Y E S‼️As to where if one, Aduio. Kill your Television, right?

After a Streamer upgrade the dim bulb up there realised how important it is to have a clean signal in. I’m using the EtherREGEN along with a clock, optical cable in from the EtherREGEN and power supply. (Clock/Power are from AfterDark) Had I done this first, I may not have swapped out streamers. There are several passive filers out there that folks swoon over too such as the ENO. Clean your dirty signal and hear the difference.