Introspective of this forum: "Does the Audiophile Community Have a Promlem?" I Say yes!!!

You accused me of your own sin...

I called cult and dogmatist people who entrench themselves in a process of rejecting unilaterally measuring tools OR subjective experience yes...

Psycho-acoustic teach us that the "timbre" experience cannot be reduced to the spectrum... why?

Because the subjective experience of perceiving the timbre is an irreducible acoustic motivated act of perception UNIQUE in time and place...Reproducing is impossible in the absolute meaning of the word, it is in fact a recreation/translation, being it recording an event or translating it through playback ...Guess why it is so?

Knowledge is not science, and science is not technology... ( knowledge is ALWAYS "personal knowledge" in the precise meaning given by Michael Polanyi)

Then my embeddings controls ARE NOT and could not be science... They are my own knowledge experience, limited and valid for my specific room, specific EARS and specific gear choices...
These embeddings controls linked them in my OWN history...

Anybody could do the same....
You accused me of insulting people because you equated wrongly 3 things, personal knowledge,science, technology, into ONLY one...YOU SIMPLIFY REALITY in a dogmatic binary opposition....Personal knowledge cannot replace science nor technology but the reverse is true also...

Personal knowledge is not science and science is not technology...

I never insulted anyone by stating this simple truth...

Mesuring tools and subjective hearing are not enough by themselves alone they need one another in a PROCESS of encompassing experience, BUT they become dogmas opposed between themselves or they become a "cult" when the the one replaced the other... Only dongmatist do that....

Drink your own vinegar, i will offer my wine...

You reincarnated yourself here many times always comitting the same sins in thinking under new names...Why?

Why not keeping and identity and becoming rational?

Universal Insult coupled with lack of self awareness. Since you need an explanation, a) Calling them cults, b) Many, at least people with objective focus are very aware of psychoacoustics, it is probably even their work you quote, and c) your assumption that your "embedding" is done correctly and d) -- I will let you figure that out on your own.

And a Merry Christmas to oldhvymec and his family, including his chickens, ducks, turkeys and whatever the heck else he’s running naked with 😜

JD

i see rude, pompous, arrogant, knowitall comments all the time online. not just in hifi forums, everywhere. would imagine that most everyone does. i figured out a long time ago not to pay them any mind. imho, the truth is that some people get off on the idea that they know X better than everyone else. unfortunately for them, it’s all a fantasy - actual experts and others who can speak with real authority on a given subject aren’t usually jerks about it.

as far as the sexist stuff you see from time to time, it's just sad. the most serious record collector i know is a woman and it is an absolute joy to watch the sweaty knowitall middle aged vinyl freaks lose their minds when she pulls out the rare stuff at dj night. talk down to women if you want to, but try not to cry when they embarrass you 

but fwiw, i do think it’s worth drawing a distinction between "rude a-hole" and "extremely opinionated old hifi guy." i’ll give you an example as to why -i recently answered a craigslist ad about some rare sansui gear. the guy who listed it called me up 5 minutes after i sent the email and proceeded to talk my ear off about everything hifi for the next hour. in the course of his lecture (that’s what it felt like) he told me exactly why he thinks my present system sucks, how i was misled, why he thinks amp x and loudspeaker y are superior in every way, and blah blah blah. but here’s the thing: i wasn’t offended! i just remember thinking ok, here’s a guy, a stranger, who’s really into this thing, has been for as long as ive been alive, and who’s gone way deeper than i’ve been. along the way he developed some extremely rigid, but extremely well informed opinions. i appreciated that conversation very much. now, if he had talked to me online like he talked to me on the phone, i could have easily misread his passion (totslly palpable and infectious, in the tone of his voice) for an extreme arrogance and ignored him completely. i'm glad i didn't - he was dropping a lot of knowledge on me and it was terrific. i still like my present setup though. 

i also think it’s possible that the surplus of extremist-type debates in hifi world could be a sign that more and more people are getting into this thing. if it’s anything like catholicism, it’s always the converts who are craziest 😂, but they’ll mellow out in time

lovely post @td_dayton  👍

+1 Loved it @td_dayton