Has anybody heard the new Nagra CD Player?


Just wondering if anybody has heard the CDC. Considering its asking price, it should be one of the best out there... or not?
kamil
Kotara, thats helpful info but also what I expected. I have a feeling a lot of the magic may rest with the tubed preamp but agree the CDC looks great on its own unlike the CDP. Jc51373 If one already has 10000+ cds with what millions ? more already out there I don't see the worry in investing in a single box state of art cd player now as who knows they may not be making them in the future ( one can always buy a few extra laser assembles to last ones lifetime). If cds will be dead soon all that'll mean is there'll be available sooner at cheaper second hand prices but without many of the inherent risks second hand vinyl brings.
Downloaded, ripped and recorded music still sounds best when burned to a CD-R and played on a dedicated CD player/Transport. The CDs may disappear but the CD-Rs will not.

Regards,
Alex
ooohhh coool, a fight!
I can see this one getting messy. At least I got a front row seat!
"03-26-07: Aplhifi
Downloaded, ripped and recorded music still sounds best when burned to a CD-R and played on a dedicated CD player/Transport. The CDs may disappear but the CD-Rs will not."

Sigh.....This is not only the most incredibly incorrect thing I have read, but I am now dumber from having read it. Kiddin...I just said that to make T-bone laugh.

You are incorrect though..And I would first ask you to support your statement with some sort of fact..Why are CD-Rs any different than a CD you buy from the store? The fact is, a HDD and CD are the ultimately the same thing, platter-type storage for a bunch of 0's and 1's. And and music ripped to a HDD lossless (a 1 to 1 file) is the exact same thing as a CD, except you can store alot more on a HDD. There are however still variances in recordings. Only negative with an HDD is they can/will eventually fail on you-which is why you back up.

The issue on sound quality is less about the medium though, than it is the actual DAC used to convert the 0s and 1s back to Analog. In the case of what I mentioned (Crimson) that converter is AMAZING, only thing different, USB DAC's are simply converting from a HDD not a CD-which is as I explained the same thing. Also keep in mind, the transport in a USB DAC is well.....Not there! And the transport is one of the essential pieces of a CD player that ads considerably to the price of any player at this level. CD players like the Nagra, have an excellent DACs, and AMAZING transports-at a price. So....If anyone were to agree with my predictions/assumptions, spending money on a high-priced CD player right now may not be a long-term decision for you.

My point is simply that in the grand scheme of digital media, the CD may eventually be looked upon as nothing more than a transitional medium we used for a while since an HDD provides the same, if not better quality in USD DAC applications..And I haven't even mentioned the convenience of HDD. And it is not accurate to compare a CD being replaced by HDD to CD replacing vinyl since one is true Analog and one is true digital. CD and HDD are both digital media, therefore can be compared head to head-follow?? Therein lies some of the reason vinyl always hung around over the years.

So since CD's like HDD are digital, require conversion, a CD player IMO is no longer the best way to do that. USB however, being bi-directional adresses all the inherent problems of jitter & SPDIF which was never designed to do what we do with it in HIFI. There are no timing issues with USB...Do I hear an applause?? Finally!!!!

USB DAC's in general make too much sense not to take a hard look at them and Gordon Rankinss DAC's are the absolute pinnacle in this category. I personally have put mine against a few of the ridiculously expensive players and think the sound is always better with Wavelength USB.

And again, I haven't even mentioned the convenience of accessing music from an HDD/Computer. Cd's?????? Never heard of em. : )
Yes but the burning question is, to any of your ears.... Is the Wavelength Crimson + PC at circa $11k+ better sounding than the Nagra, also at $11k+?

Has anyone heard either?