About users with hidden agendas

@astolfor said

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"This is down to set up, something you can quickly ascertain by looking at a photo"

This is another laughable nonsense.

How in the world can anyone ascertain a setup from a picture? Really? Do pictures now position you in a room and allow you to carefully listen the room’s acoustic signature and how well the speakers are positioned relatively to the listening position?

I wander what despicable assault @ted_denney will come up with🤣 to defend this nonsense 

PS: for how long one does something has relative relevance on knowledge, one can be doing something for very long and doing it wrong all along. “

Yup …

"This is down to set up, something you can quickly ascertain by looking at a photo"

This is another laughable nonsense.

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100% PICs are the place to start. LOOK before you speak. I see once again the cart is before the horse. Pictures tell you everything about a system. THEN you rest your mouth and ears and listen..

I just posted that on Monday, I helped a buddy after 5 years of messing around. 4 hours later he was happy after 5 years of poor SQ. 2 floor to ceiling silk curtains, 2 3 x 4ft panels, a large thick oval rug, placement and I repaired the great pair of cables he bought. I know I own the same cables and his speakers, I use the same type.

I had listened two times in 6 or 7 years to his set up.

We did everything the way I always do it, not the way he does it. BINGO! ALL from a picture and a listen 5-7 years ago..

If I couldn’t hear a problem, but I’m hearing the same complaint from the customer I should put my past experience to work, not reinvent to wheel. It’s not life or death if your off a little bit either.

After seeing ENOUGH set-ups over the years you know what tools to bring with you, to the job site.

Explain how what Mr Denney said is any different. He knows by looking... HE BETTER know by looking after all theses years.. Are there exceptions seldom.

I’m afraid instead of revealing a flaw in his thinking, you have exposed a rather limiting flaw of your own...

To much reading and not near enough doing.. 20/80 rears its head again.

20% of the people do 80% of the work the other 80% (like you two) talk about it..

Thanks once again for the professional answer and skipping the bla bla bla. Mr. Denney. You need a GOOD PR man. (This time it’s free) :-)

I’m very good at picking my nose, EVERYONE can relate to that right..:-)

agree with @oldhvymec 100%

experienced hifi enthusiasts can look at pictures of a system setup in room and can spot issues quickly, there are elements of good and bad in room set up can be violated, but always at the cost of getting the best possible sound

not a substitute for being there, but photos can be very very informative as a lead in, and lead to numerous relevant and good suggestions or ideas of how improvements might be gotten

Being a pro and being able to spot about some problem in a system/room when looking at it , does not means that anybody can judge the S.Q. of a system from a photo...

The reason is simple : acoustic treatment and control are not ALWAYS predictible by visible cues...empty tubes of different kind, one hundred perhaps, of different size are not pretty to look at...it is the "bones"of my mechanical equalizer" though...

For example the number of acoustic devices and their precise size and location is not something COMPLETELY visually meaningful... It is related in a specific way in its tuning to some specific gear for some specific ears...

Then the fact that a pro can point to a room problem on an image is one thing but the final S.Q. result must be LISTENED TO...

Sorry...

Then if someone look to my silly room photo , in no way he can affirm that my S.Q. is pure shit because my room look silly... And it is silly room , my room is a laboratory made with discarded materials then at no cost......

Audio is not guess based on price tag, and image...

For sure some audiophile whose acoustic big room are created by pro at high cost and esthetically beautiful scream a S.Q. quality from image that will make my SMALL laboratory room pure junkyard sound...

But my room is not pure shit in S.Q... Sorry.... Appearance can help : Mike Lavigne room scream high quality sound from photo... That does not mean that my silly mad scientist room is shit even compared to him ...Way less good for sure but not shit...

How do i know? Simple because i enjoy quality music filling my room with a relatively natural timbre ... And my ratio S.Q. /price beat Mike Lavigne big.... My system value is 500 bucks... Beat me naysayers who look at photo to judge me...

Just an exemple now to indicate how it is easy to be wrong:

I used reflective metal junk device who will be judge to have "negative" effect by any pro...This is not untrue...But this is not right too...

how could they be wrong?

Because i tuned my room using some % of reflective surface from certain spot that are meaningless if you dont listen the room tuning process at the end and only look at cheap empty aluminium cauldron linked together...

I dont recommend people to use cheap cauldron to tune a room, i recommend them to use some reflective surface for positive effect in the tuning process...Do you undersatand the difference...I had ZERO budget to achieve my goal and i am very proud of that...