About users with hidden agendas

"This is down to set up, something you can quickly ascertain by looking at a photo"

This is another laughable nonsense.

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100% PICs are the place to start. LOOK before you speak. I see once again the cart is before the horse. Pictures tell you everything about a system. THEN you rest your mouth and ears and listen..

I just posted that on Monday, I helped a buddy after 5 years of messing around. 4 hours later he was happy after 5 years of poor SQ. 2 floor to ceiling silk curtains, 2 3 x 4ft panels, a large thick oval rug, placement and I repaired the great pair of cables he bought. I know I own the same cables and his speakers, I use the same type.

I had listened two times in 6 or 7 years to his set up.

We did everything the way I always do it, not the way he does it. BINGO! ALL from a picture and a listen 5-7 years ago..

If I couldn’t hear a problem, but I’m hearing the same complaint from the customer I should put my past experience to work, not reinvent to wheel. It’s not life or death if your off a little bit either.

After seeing ENOUGH set-ups over the years you know what tools to bring with you, to the job site.

Explain how what Mr Denney said is any different. He knows by looking... HE BETTER know by looking after all theses years.. Are there exceptions seldom.

I’m afraid instead of revealing a flaw in his thinking, you have exposed a rather limiting flaw of your own...

To much reading and not near enough doing.. 20/80 rears its head again.

20% of the people do 80% of the work the other 80% (like you two) talk about it..

Thanks once again for the professional answer and skipping the bla bla bla. Mr. Denney. You need a GOOD PR man. (This time it’s free) :-)

I’m very good at picking my nose, EVERYONE can relate to that right..:-)

agree with @oldhvymec 100%

experienced hifi enthusiasts can look at pictures of a system setup in room and can spot issues quickly, there are elements of good and bad in room set up can be violated, but always at the cost of getting the best possible sound

not a substitute for being there, but photos can be very very informative as a lead in, and lead to numerous relevant and good suggestions or ideas of how improvements might be gotten

Being a pro and being able to spot about some problem in a system/room when looking at it , does not means that anybody can judge the S.Q. of a system from a photo...

The reason is simple : acoustic treatment and control are not ALWAYS predictible by visible cues...empty tubes of different kind, one hundred perhaps, of different size are not pretty to look at...it is the "bones"of my mechanical equalizer" though...

For example the number of acoustic devices and their precise size and location is not something COMPLETELY visually meaningful... It is related in a specific way in its tuning to some specific gear for some specific ears...

Then the fact that a pro can point to a room problem on an image is one thing but the final S.Q. result must be LISTENED TO...

Sorry...

Then if someone look to my silly room photo , in no way he can affirm that my S.Q. is pure shit because my room look silly... And it is silly room , my room is a laboratory made with discarded materials then at no cost......

Audio is not guess based on price tag, and image...

For sure some audiophile whose acoustic big room are created by pro at high cost and esthetically beautiful scream a S.Q. quality from image that will make my SMALL laboratory room pure junkyard sound...

But my room is not pure shit in S.Q... Sorry.... Appearance can help : Mike Lavigne room scream high quality sound from photo... That does not mean that my silly mad scientist room is shit even compared to him ...Way less good for sure but not shit...

How do i know? Simple because i enjoy quality music filling my room with a relatively natural timbre ... And my ratio S.Q. /price beat Mike Lavigne big.... My system value is 500 bucks... Beat me naysayers who look at photo to judge me...

Just an exemple now to indicate how it is easy to be wrong:

I used reflective metal junk device who will be judge to have "negative" effect by any pro...This is not untrue...But this is not right too...

how could they be wrong?

Because i tuned my room using some % of reflective surface from certain spot that are meaningless if you dont listen the room tuning process at the end and only look at cheap empty aluminium cauldron linked together...

I dont recommend people to use cheap cauldron to tune a room, i recommend them to use some reflective surface for positive effect in the tuning process...Do you undersatand the difference...I had ZERO budget to achieve my goal and i am very proud of that...

@oldhvymec I am glad that pictures work for you.

IMHO making decisions or even believing that you can judge a room’s sound acoustic signature by a picture is nonsense. Clearly, I am talking about rooms that properly arranged and not with armchairs or refrigerators in-front of speakers, turntables set up in flimsy tilted racks, or running machining tools in the room, with everything plugged in a power strip that was meant to be used to power Christmas lights. If this is what you are suggesting then I would, to some extent, agree that you can provide some feedback.

But then you have @mahgister ‘s room and system that looks like a mad scientist, who he is 😊, lab/room in search of the ultimate solution; and by looking at the pictures arrive to the wrong conclusion because one has not listened to the room and his style different different to ours. BTW @mahgister your room looks like my office and labs, all kinds of things that for most of the uneducated are trash, junk and complete chaos; when in reality they are the results of very valuable experiments. BTW I have many reasons to believe that your room/system sounds celestial.

Now, if you are saying you can make an opinion in pictures about my rooms? Clearly you can, is it going to have any value from the acoustics perspective? absolutely not.

And I hope you are not suggesting to trust someone’s opinion that can’t discuss things without making fun of  and degrading people, making rude and despicable comments about people with autism because they call him out on his nonsense, or anyone’s for that matter, based on a picture; over the engineers that design, including the new Munich symphony house, and tune most of the symphony houses in Europe, Japan, and Australia?

I am not afraid to say that I am ok using every tool/process possible, which includes measurements, to achieve the best sound I can out of my room and systems, without having to making the rooms look like a recording studio because it is not our style.

When I hire the sound engineers that come to accommodate my rooms, I am glad they bring measuring equipment and not cameras. So they can take a bunch of measurements, make recommendations on how to move some things, have my partner and I sit in our listening positions, we play our music while they measure all along; so after the process we chose what sounds best to us, and they finetune the speakers, subs and very few set of treatment.

Ears can’t care less on pictures; ears are blind, they do not see or look, they hear or is it listen?

I apologize for my English as it is not one of my native languages.