What is it I'm failing to grasp?


I come across statements here and elsewhere by guys who say 1) their systems come very close to duplicating the experience of hearing live music and 2) that they can listen for hours and hours due to the "effortless" presentation.  

I don't understand how these two claims add up. In tandem, they are profoundly inconsistent with my experiences of listening to live music. 

If I think about concerts I consider the best I've witnessed (Oregon, Solas, Richard Thompson, SRV, Dave Holland Quintet, '77 G. Dead, David Murray, Paul Winter Consort), I would not have wanted any of those performances to have extended much beyond their actual duration.

It's like eating-- no matter how wonderfully prepared the food, I can only eat so much-- a point of satiation is reached and I find this to be true (for me) when it comes to music listening as well. Ditto for sex, looking at visual art, reading poetry or playing guitar. All of these activities require energy and while they may feel "effortless" in the moment, I eventually reach a point where I must withdraw from aesthetic simulation.

Furthermore, the live music I've heard is not always "smoothly" undemanding. I love Winifred Horan's classically influenced Celtic fiddling but the tone she gets is not uniformly sweet; the melodies do not always resemble lullabies. The violin can sound quite strident at times. Oregon can be very melodious but also,(at least in their younger days) quite chaotic and atonal. These are examples on the mellower side of my listening spectrum and I can't listen to them for more than a couple hours, either live or at home. 

Bottom line: I don't find listening to live music "effortless" so I don't understand how a system that renders this activity "effortless" can also be said to be accurate.   

What is it that I'm failing to grasp, here?  


 

stuartk

...whether a system that can be listened to all day long can be truthfully said to accurately  duplicate the sound of live music. Personally, I wouldn't want to listen to live music all day long. 

At full volume about 3 hours is my max but I have my system at very reasonable levels for the last 6 hours and it sounds great. I'll turn it off around bedtime. It's not background music, I'm listening to every note. 

There's loads of great music without voices. It's called 'instrumental'. 

YES!!! So why do some audiophiles speak of "live music" as if it’s some sort of reliable constant? !

Well you can’t listen to everything that comes out of some people’s mouths . Even audiophiles. 😉

However live music serves as a frame of reference. You can’t aim for the target until you know where it is. One may never hit the target exactly dead center perfect but you can get pretty close most of the the time if you really know what you are doing and you have a decent recording to start with.

 

 

@russ69 

Thanks for that clarification. I keep the sound below 70dB on my spl meter.

Much below that (cd volumes vary) and the SQ suffers. 

I have monitors in a living room that's open to both an adjoining dining room and an adjoining entry that is partially open to loft space, above. Ceilings are on the high side. I would prefer floor-standers but furniture arrangement precludes them and subs as well.

My impression is that the monitors need to be turned up sufficiently to pressurize the rooms. 

 

 

Intriguing thread!

Indeed, there are things we don't want, and others we do. For example, if one was to reproduces drums realistically in your living room, then the person would go partially deaf in record time. I listened to my pro drummer friend play his drum set in his living room for no more than 10 minutes.... literally deafening, I had trouble hearing for days after that.

On the other hand, I and pretty much anyone can take classical concerts at the 7th row for 5-8 hrs a day without emerging hearing discomfort (provided a sane and realistic music repertoire - thinking about Bach, Handel, Schubert, Mahler, Mozart and not a marathon of screeching shrieking pieces trying to break the SPL barrier for no apparent reason).

I have voiced my system to reproduce classical music as I hear it in the concerts. It's something that is unamplified, has the highest quality acoustic instruments and most talented & trained singers - AKA the scenario where the matter of fidelity arises.

 

For amplified concerts, we have massive (largely transistorized) amplifiers amplifying the source, that is often not an acoustic instrument, and even the vocals can have filters / processing / EQ / compression on them. That is, the live event already has compromised fidelity, limited by the ability of the PA system and the electronics producing the effects. High fidelity is out of the question, and the only thing to do about it: REPRODUCE IT TO SOUND THE WAY YOU WANT IT. :)

Curiously, even live rock concerts and program albums will sound the best (to my ears) when a system is highly optimized for classical music. The only addition needed for live events is the ability to adjust the level of highs, as they can be vastly in excess or lacking, based on how the recording was mastered, and for what playback volume. Don't forget: the CD / etc recording w get is not the exact version of what the concert was, it has been mastered (=ALTERED) for the consumers with specific goals in mind.

 

Cheers; Janos