How to choose an upgraded tonearm.


In two recent threads on selecting an upgraded cartridge, some of you suggested a new tonearm was in order. Since I’ve never chosen a new tonearm, I’m asking you all for some advice on how to do so for that future event.

My current turntable is a VPI Classic 2 with a VPI JMW 10.5i unipivot tonearm. A new Lyra Kleos MC cartridge is on order. I’ll likely be changing to a gimbal style tonearm. The rest of the system is Magico A3 speakers, a Luxman 507uX MkII integrated amp, a Marants Ruby CD player, and a Shunyata Hydra Denali power conditioner.

What price range should an appropriate tonearm for the Lyra Kleos be in, that would also be in keeping with the price point of my Classic 2, The Classic 2 was in the $3-4,000 range, as is the Lyra Kleos. I’ll be purchasing new, not used, and will not be upgrading any other equipment than the tonearm.

Pardon some rookie questions, but what attributes should I be looking for in a quality tonearm? Who are some of the better known manufacturers, and which models of theirs might be workable? Are there other alternative to either a gimbal or unipvot tonearm? Are tonearms generally interchangeable between different manufacturers turntables? And what improvements in sound quality might be gained by upgrading my tonearm?

Since this is all new to me, any other advice you might have about things to consider would be greatly appreciated and will help kick off my research. Thanks,

Mike

skyscraper

Forget my suggestion. I understand that it's now being made in Russia, not England.

Terry, will do. Nothing Russian now for sure,

Pindac, appreciate you explanation. 

 

@skyscraper The following underscored info', was not at any time a offered as a definitive guideline and made with the intention as being the method that should be followed. It was a suggestion put forward to help you realise that to experience an alternative Tonearm in use with your TT, there was options to tackle this idea. 

As you had already expressed an interest in machining a Task to produce a Standalone Pod seemed to be viable as a beginners project, either self produced or through dialogue with an engineering facility.

Additionally as you were expressing an inquisitive mind, I shared further info about the 'under the hood' considerations.

_______________________________________________________________  

I will offer a suggestion, and one that I was familiar with having happened in the past few years.

A friend who had purchased an SP10 R was needing to select a Tonearm for it.

As an avoidance of acting in haste, they had a Standalone Tonearm Pod produced for quite a reasonable outlay by a local to their home engineering workshop.

This mounting device enabled them to try things out in a manner that suited their needs, as the need to have a plinth produced to suit multiple arm types was not desired.

As the device and mounting of the TT was capable of allowing for all Tonearms Lengths, variances could be catered for, this proved to be very useful device to experience Tonearms of various Brands and Models.

__________________________________________________________

@skyscraper  In the first two posts of this Thread you were offered information on Tonearm Models.

By the third post you have shown you have been influenced by the offered ideas, for a Tonearm Brand and as further posts evolved, it was becoming clear you were toying with the idea of looking into discovering if alternate Tonearms were an option to be used on your TT.

In post 18, you were offered the idea of replacing the entirety of your TT Set Up with another Brands products, by the individual making the underscored statement statement below.

As usual on this forum, the information offered does go off topic, and such a suggestion to get rid of your present TT, reaches far beyond the initial OP request, of how to select a Tonearm, that might be a future event. 

___________________________________________________________  

You have posts here that even gone to almost " stupid " advise for you as an external arm-pod when your needs are way different. Even you and certainly not me know for sure what you really need till the Kleos arrives .

__________________________________________________________

I hope you can differentiate the differences between the suggestion I have made.

Which was offered to help with your understanding of an option to use a device that could be acquired at quite a reasonable outlay, to enable an experience of a alternative Tonearm with your TT, and the suggestion to get rid of your TT set up and purchase a New Brand entirely. 

My suggestion, from my end seemed to be a cost effective method to broaden your experience, especially a experience that seems attractive to yourself to encounter, and usable on a TT that has limited options to use alternative Tonearms.

I certainly won't be informing an OP to get rid of the entirety of the LP Replay front end, when a inquiry is made about how to choose a Tonearm.

I certainly won't be making a statement that users of a Standalone Tonearm Pod whether encountered within a forum or outside, that their chosen method is ' stupid 

I certainly don't agree with those that think it is OK to express such futile types of comments either.

 

@lewm , that would be incorrect. It is all about the location of the vertical pivot. The tonearm describes an arc as it travels up and down. Think of it as drawing a circle with the stylus. What happens to the location of the stylus when you move the center of the circle up. The stylus now moves forward as it travel upwards. This transiently slows the speed of the groove by the stylus creating wow. The higher you go the more wow is created. If you lower the center of the circle the opposite happens. Groove speed increases as the tonearm moves up. The least amount of stylus translocation is created when the center of the circle is at record level creating the smallest amount of wow with changes in elevation. This was demonstrated in the video. Although this video uses the AR XA as it's model and shows how advanced it was in it's day. It also explains a number of concepts that are important to any tonearm and turntable. The only severe error it makes is with it's deflection of anti skating. The XA actually did have anti skating. It's horizontal bearing had to be the worst design of any tonearm ever made. Friction did the job. I do not really care for his description of the head shell either. It is a must watch for people like @skyscraper. My point in all this is that people become so concerned about the wow and flutter specs of turntables and not about other issues that cause significantly greater speed irregularities like tonearm design and warped records. 

Lew, I was not insulting your intelligence. I was joking with you to try and get you to watch the video. It obviously did not work. Next time I'll try another approach. 

@skyscraper , You can mount any tonearm of the right length on any turntable if you are clever enough. That may or may not involve significant modification to the table. It is has a removeable tonearm board you are all set. Just get a new one and have at it. If not you will have to evaluate each arm and it's mounting method in the context of the real estate you have available. I do not know your table well enough to be able to comment. Like some other people on this site I would NEVER use a tonearm on an outboard platform.