Will I benefit from a subwoofer with 20Hz speakers?

Everything I have to say about the Distributed Bass Array I wrote about here, and it is as true today as when I wrote it:

My point is you swarm guys always make it sound so easy. It’s not. Theory is fine. You might very well be able to break up a significant dip or “null”. But peaks and dips will still be there in a normal room and will need eq to get fully satisfactory bass. But I agree on driving high quality speakers all the way down and adding sub or subs to that.

While the vendor's promotion online has been fair and honest the fan boys of this system are out of control.  From reading their posts and their attacks of the ideas posted above it is clear to me the fan boys have never heard a well integrated single sub so their opinion of any other ideas is at least misinformed if not down right deceptive. 

@erik_squires I've read this before (and the rest of it). I certainly don't agree with it either in tenor or theory. For one thing, I'm not a 'fan boy' (I think there was someone posting here who was, who is either deservedly banned or moved on). I've known Duke Lejuene of Audiokinesis (the primary manufacturer of subs specifically meant for use in a DBA, the Swarm) for 25 years. He is one of the more honest people you can deal with in high end audio, and is well educated in speaker theory and design. I've seen Duke pushing the DBA concept now for nearly 20 years. He's garnered 4 Golden Ear Awards for the Swarm simply because it works.

I don't find the application of a DBA in my installation to be particularly cumbersome or complex. Since I prefer the idea of running the subs off the preamp rather than speaker level (to avoid colorations) the use of a subwoofer amp in my equipment stand was easy to execute. I do run long speaker cables, but they are inexpensive- the kind that has one 'silver' conductor and one copper, like you get cheap at a hardware store. I think one run is about 22 feet. I just did this to see how well it would work temporarily, and it worked so well that I see no reason to change it.

Is it possible that since you've not tried it, you might have some mistaken impression about the complexity? The whole thing took me 15 minutes to set up and about 2 minutes (by following Duke's instructions) to dial in. Pretty simple IME.

Now I have several systems in my home. The main system, the home theater, my bedroom system and the basement system. Of those a DBA is only used in the main system. There are single subs in two of the others. To be clear, I'm acquainted with the idea that you can make a single sub work. In one system, I lucked out and the only place the sub could go works fine. In the bedroom system, I had to move the sub around until I found a spot that it could be heard when in the listening position- the most convenient spot rendered it inaudible due to cancellation (standing waves).

My point is you swarm guys always make it sound so easy. It’s not. Theory is fine. You might very well be able to break up a significant dip or “null”. But peaks and dips will still be there in a normal room and will need eq to get fully satisfactory bass.

@gosta 

You are partially correct here- Duke of Audiokinesis says the same thing you do: that the big peaks and valleys are eliminated and in their place are much smaller peaks and valleys which because of their small size become hard or impossible to detect by ear. Duke also says that after than has been done then use room correction and possibly bass traps to really get the room right. So you and he are nearly on the same page.

The formula here is that a DBA does about 95% of the bass correction needed in most rooms (by eliminating standing waves), and room correction and bass traps do the other 5%. The question of this thread though is there benefit to subs if your speakers already go to 20Hz and the answer to that is certainly 'yes' (if used correctly).

I mentioned above it took me about 15 minutes to set up my Swarm setup (keeping in mind I have two Swarm subs, not four, since my main speakers go to 20Hz already). Once I placed the subs (against the wall, out of the room traffic and mostly out of sight) I've not had to move them and I've not had to mess with phase. Pretty easy (so you can blame me for saying that), easier than my bedroom system where I had to crawl around and move the sub bit by bit to get it right.

Each to his own of course, I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to do it this way, but FWIW as I explained I have subs installed several ways. IME regarding this topic, those who denigrate this approach really haven't tried it.

Sounding like a fan boy myself, @atmasphere ​​​​​@erik_squires  both have decades of experience and knowledge.Myself and many others here have benefited from it and been inspired to do more research then do our own experiments and implementations.As far as this discussion Erik and Ralph just start from different points IMO.

  The Amroc chart Erik mentioned I ran across a few years ago - calculates your room modes in seconds,a good place to start.The site is very informative and easy to understand for us tech challenged folks(me).

 I've got room treatments and three subs,only one sub has DSP included. What a huge positive difference that equalizer makes....if the other two ever fail I know what I'll be replacing them with. My speakers do go down to 20hz but their position isn't ideal for the best bass response even though the mids up are the best they can be in my room. Just my two cents.

Sorry being so stubborn, but "eliminate" - no, "reduce" - yes. If you start from +/- 15 db shifts or more in the bass region, which most of us do (look at the measurement the op did), then I’d say there is no way a swarm setup will flatten that out so you won’t hear any peaks/dips . If using several subs can reduce that to 50% or +/- 8db that’s great. And above all remove any "nulls" (infinite dips) while they can not be corrected with eq (dsp).