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Any good video sites out there?

So, my post about the clickbait nature of some youtube video sites was removed.

I was not trolling. I was not baiting.

Let's think about this for a moment. This is a hobby that pays attention to reviews. They drive sales, conversations, and how we perceive audio itself. 

Therefore, it's relevant to an audio hobbyist site to discuss the kinds of reviews out there. A good, informative review can guide members toward new ways of evaluating audio and help them make more informed decisions. On the other hand, review sites which are inaccurate or even just hyperbolic in their reviews or in their titles also have an impact on how seriously we can take that site. In the case of YouTube, some members here think that it is YouTube itself that is at fault. 

So, this is a valid topic for an audio forum. I went to a site -- which shall remain nameless because critique is not allowed, I guess -- which is consistently saying that the latest review is the "best ever" or "the most ultimate XYZ ever" etc. This is the kind of hyperbole which, I am arguing, has a negative effect on other, less manic sites -- which I will not name, either -- the ones not trying to work the algorithms to garner clicks.

The post I made was a claim with evidence -- evidence supporting the claim that there was a hyperbolic quality to the site. That's all I did.

And then my post was taken down.

Let's analyze what has just happened.

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Those of you who read my post will realize that I did none of these things. What I did was call attention to a youtube site that -- I am claiming, with evidence -- tends toward hyperbole in their titles.

If this post gets taken down, then I think only one conclusion can be drawn about what has happened to "moderation" here.

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hilde45 OP
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So, I found out why the thread was removed. Someone complained.

They said

"I would like you to check out a new thread. It is under 'mis-audio' and the title is "Why YouTube can seem a ridiculous venue for reviews". The OP (hilde45) has decided to bash another member by creating a thread to ridicule and bad mouth the OP of one of the most popular threads on Agon....'jays_audio_lab'. Jay started a very popular YouTube channel in addition to his Agon thread where he reviews audio gear. Is it OK to start a thread on Agon just to bash someone? I mean this OP hilde45 has gone out of his / her way to put down and demean Jay. If he doesn't agree with Jay then don't follow him but to intentionally create a way to put him down doesn't seem like it has a place on Agon."

All I would say about this is that I was not bashing a member, but rather raising a critique of this channel's tendency to be hyperbolic -- and I gave the evidence. This channel is a business but also a site of journalistic opinion. For some reason it requires special, extra protection.

My post was raising for consideration the proliferation of hyperbole in the video opinion realm. Anyone who read that knows that.

Why it's possible for a member on our site to call this "bashing" is beyond me, but I guess I didn't count on feelings and sensibilities being wounded so easily. 

I guess I found out the reason. 

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middlemass
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Ever since the classic, late night talk shows went all partisan politics and ceased being funny in any way, I turned to the YouTube high end audio "experts" for my late night laughs. Steve ........ among many others never cease to crack me up...

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artemus_5
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@hilde45 

All I would say about this is that I was not bashing a member, but rather raising a critique of this channel's tendency to be hyperbolic -- and I gave the evidence.

Many do not understand nuance.They equate all actions as one in the same. Kinda like the man who happens to sees a couple making love and calls 911 to report a rape. It should not be this way. But its a part of the divide and conquer strategy which has been taking place in our society for many years, IMO

@steakster 

You have exemplified the very thing I pointed out to @hilde45 Seeing someone else's ox being gored is all fun & games til its your ox which gets gored. I hope you will soon understand that when an ox is purposely gored especially for nefarious reasons, it is an offense to all of us...or it should be

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mahgister
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I think you are right but you underestimate the power of some poster here...

Oldyvimec suffer the same fate in a harsher way...He is banned...No recourse...

This is commercial forum to favorize selling and buying...

Nobody doubt hyperboles qualificatives because everybody use them for his favorite and idolized piece of gear to promote it AS THE ONLY solution...

Nobody believe that acoustic and psycho-acoustic outway in improvement MOST upgrades and nobody believe that superioir hifi experience is possible at low cost...

People are hypnotized by marketing like they are by political propaganda and never listen to acoustic cues which is the only way to learn how to listen...Instead of listening acoustical cues they TASTE directly their gear like a wine .... 😁 They speak about mid frequencies, high and bass at best , their acoustic vocabulary stop there, they completely ignore what LEV/ASW ratio means for example and how to hear it....They have no clue how to control imaging and soundstage and timbre at will... They have no clue especially the richest one boasting about 100,000 bucks piece of gear...

At best they read audio magazine reviews, a lost of time and money, instead of a few acoustic and psycho-acoustic books or articles to learn acoustic OPTIMIZATION of what they aleady have which is good most of the time but working in underpar acoustic condition ....

But i think you have already guess all that by yourself...

Being a thinker you know that only acoustic and psycho-acoustic explain sound and his perception laws , not the gear alone and its design by his magical electrical virtue...

Recording technique begin with a room acoustic perspectical take trade-off and end in a listener room /speakers trade-off exhange for some ears ... It is an acoustic and psycho-acoustic translation more than an electronical " pure" impossible  reproduction...

 

 

 

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Many do not understand nuance.They equate all actions as one in the same. Kinda like the man who happens to sees a couple making love and calls 911 to report a rape. It should not be this way. But its a part of the divide and conquer strategy which has been taking place in our society for many years, IMO

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