Cause and effect is a real thing. Live and learn.
Cause and effect are not a "thing"...Nor beliefs...
They are a complex conceptual and experimental process...Sometimes easy to verify...Sometimes not at all...
They are sometimes personal experience...
For example put a shungite piece on an amplifier and put a quartz piece and note the difference... If you experiment it many times you will infer a cause and an effect...
This is an experiment, not a "thing" not a scam...Not a belief...
i dont need that someone point to me a "cause" or an "effect" of his own choice... especially in audiophile threads...
I dont want to be rude with you mapman and i apologize for my posts to you but i must say that...
I know you are a trustful person only a bit more " sceptical" mind that i am...I am a mystic even if i read about sciences... 😁😊